Update the mod team inactive

The mod team are very inactive now dont think im suggesting myself because im not but the mod team are inactive and we need new mods and im not suggesting myself so please dont think im suggesting myself because im not all im saying is the mod team are inactive and we need more mods!

pls don't say LDK for mod ok im not suggesting myself for mod but i think we do need more mods in this game as the majority of them are inactive as they are too busy in real life probs too busy fucking their girlfriends so we need more mods ok so dont make me mod

Locked by ~evil mod

Its the Mod curse.

Why do you want new mods?

You said that the current mod team is inactive, that they are busy with their real life.

What do you think that will happen when two new mods are added?

Yes, they will also go inactive.

How about if you were able to deal with the problems by yourself, without the need of a mod?

I really really really believe this post is 101% troll as a response to the first one made....... so don't take it serious

作者： Trooper21, 28.04.2016 at 07:52

Lurf me

i missu <3

作者： clovis1122, 28.04.2016 at 08:34

Why do you want new mods?

You said that the current mod team is inactive, that they are busy with their real life.

What do you think that will happen when two new mods are added?

Yes, they will also go inactive.

How about if you were able to deal with the problems by yourself, without the need of a mod?

dam this shit like super srs job interview dam boy

作者： clovis1122, 28.04.2016 at 08:34

Why do you want new mods?

You said that the current mod team is inactive, that they are busy with their real life.

What do you think that will happen when two new mods are added?

Yes, they will also go inactive.

How about if you were able to deal with the problems by yourself, without the need of a mod?

If I where Mod we would not have an inactivity problem,I would fix are broken infrestructure and i would build a wall to protect hard working atwarians, from undesirable albanians role players, and kebabs, and geuss what people? I would make atwar great again!

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 08:52

If I where Mod a leader we would not have an inactivity problem,I would fix are broken infrestructure and i would build a wall to protect hard working atwarians, from undesirable albanians role players, and kebabs, and geuss what people? I would make atwar great again!

You sound like Hitler. Only not the jew part but the muslim part.

作者： Waffel, 28.04.2016 at 08:59

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 08:52

If I where Mod we would not have an inactivity problem,I would fix are broken infrestructure and i would build a wall to protect hard working atwarians, from undesirable albanians role players, and kebabs, and geuss what people? I would make atwar great again!

You sound like Hitler. Only not the jew part but the muslim part.

Lol you don't get the reference dutchman?

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 09:00

作者： Waffel, 28.04.2016 at 08:59

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 08:52

If I where Mod we would not have an inactivity problem,I would fix are broken infrestructure and i would build a wall to protect hard working atwarians, from undesirable albanians role players, and kebabs, and geuss what people? I would make atwar great again!

You sound like Hitler. Only not the jew part but the muslim part.

Lol you don't get the reference dutchman?

I was being sarcastic tho since I know u were too

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 09:00

作者： Waffel, 28.04.2016 at 08:59

作者： Helly, 28.04.2016 at 08:52

If I where Mod we would not have an inactivity problem,I would fix are broken infrestructure and i would build a wall to protect hard working atwarians, from undesirable albanians role players, and kebabs, and geuss what people? I would make atwar great again!

You sound like Hitler. Only not the jew part but the muslim part.

Lol you don't get the reference dutchman?

He means

作者： clovis1122, 28.04.2016 at 08:34

Why do you want new mods?

You said that the current mod team is inactive, that they are busy with their real life.

What do you think that will happen when two new mods are added?

Yes, they will also go inactive.

How about if you were able to deal with the problems by yourself, without the need of a mod?

if people should deal every problem with themselves , then why the need of mods ?

作者： Guest, 28.04.2016 at 15:17

if people should deal every problem with themselves , then why the need of mods ?

Perhaps in a close future, but for now it's too complicate to handle every problem automatically (not saying it is not possible).

Every damn season the same 'new mods' story...

I heard clovis really wants to be the next mod

Haste is waste.
Self-regulation tools do exist: ignore list and ban list are in place.

Mod work includes:
1. Maintaining forum and chat order (according to rules):

• reviewing forum
  
• reviewing chat log
  
• warning players, muting players, banning players from forum and/or banning players from game

2. Reviewing SP/ELO/CW abuses and distortions

• checking maps and setting SP multipliers
  
• checking player accounts and possible alts
  
• reviewing games log
  
• checking reports on (potential) abuses
  
• calculating SP farmed
  
• taking cohersive measures
  
• checking account swapping *new*

3. Communicating with community

• Reviewing reports
  
• Chatting
  
• Checking PMs
  
• Reacting to "situations"

4. Leveraging issues to admins

Funny stuff.

作者： Columna Durruti, 28.04.2016 at 19:10

Haste is waste.
Self-regulation tools do exist: ignore list and ban list are in place.

Mod work includes:
1. Maintaining forum and chat order (according to rules):

• reviewing forum
  
• reviewing chat log
  
• warning players, muting players, banning players from forum and/or banning players from game

2. Reviewing SP/ELO/CW abuses and distortions

• checking maps and setting SP multipliers
  
• checking player accounts and possible alts
  
• reviewing games log
  
• checking reports on (potential) abuses
  
• calculating SP farmed
  
• taking cohersive measures
  
• checking account swapping *new*

3. Communicating with community

• Reviewing reports
  
• Chatting
  
• Checking PMs
  
• Reacting to "situations"

4. Leveraging issues to admins

Funny stuff.

I've found since html came in ppl seem to think we can also provide technical/IT support.

作者： RaulPB, 28.04.2016 at 08:36

I really really really believe this post is 101% troll as a response to the first one made....... so don't take it serious

101%....? You don't sound so sure ...

作者： clovis1122, 28.04.2016 at 08:34

Why do you want new mods?

You said that the current mod team is inactive, that they are busy with their real life.

What do you think that will happen when two new mods are added?

Yes, they will also go inactive.

How about if you were able to deal with the problems by yourself, without the need of a mod?

I love your answer clovis..,

The world needs people to fend for themselves, the world is full of Paracite that need others to survive.

I have 2 years Atwar and I think the mod are doing a great job, maybe now are inactive, but they have done well.

作者： Columna Durruti, 28.04.2016 at 19:10

Haste is waste.
Self-regulation tools do exist: ignore list and ban list are in place.

Just saw this. I believe there's always room for more self-regulation tools, and the ones that you've pointed out have several flaws. The ignore have bugs, and the ban list is seems by a part of the community as abusive and ineffective (the fact that it requires a thread to handle it is already enough proof).

I'm not completely opposed against adding new mods. But I believe that the game should take the self-moderation approach more serious as it would reduce the problem in the long run.

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

Just saw this. I believe there's always room for more self-regulation tools,

I agree, theoretically. In practical terms, it has to be well-thought and rigourously implemented, which requires resources (basically programming time).

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

and the ones that you've pointed out have several flaws. The ignore have bugs, and the ban list is seems by a part of the community as abusive and ineffective (the fact that it requires a thread to handle it is already enough proof).

Yes and nope. They possibly have bugs, not flaws.
As for the ban lists (plural, since they are 2 in 1) the existence of an appeal thead is not that it does not work, but, rather, that self-regulation maturity of some community members isn't that evolved as you (or we) wish.
The abuse of the tool is not a problem of the tool but of their users.

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

I'm not completely opposed against adding new mods. But I believe that the game should take the self-moderation approach more serious as it would reduce the problem in the long run.

Yes, again the issue of resources that have to be made available in order to develop tools.

作者： Columna Durruti, 02.05.2016 at 23:37

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

Just saw this. I believe there's always room for more self-regulation tools,

I agree, theoretically. In practical terms, it has to be well-thought and rigourously implemented, which requires resources (basically programming time).

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

and the ones that you've pointed out have several flaws. The ignore have bugs, and the ban list is seems by a part of the community as abusive and ineffective (the fact that it requires a thread to handle it is already enough proof).

Yes and nope. They possibly have bugs, not flaws.
As for the ban lists (plural, since they are 2 in 1) the existence of an appeal thead is not that it does not work, but, rather, that self-regulation maturity of some community members isn't that evolved as you (or we) wish.
The abuse of the tool is not a problem of the tool but of their users.

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

I'm not completely opposed against adding new mods. But I believe that the game should take the self-moderation approach more serious as it would reduce the problem in the long run.

Yes, again the issue of resources that have to be made available in order to develop tools.

Wow. Perfect response.

作者： Columna Durruti, 02.05.2016 at 23:37

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

Just saw this. I believe there's always room for more self-regulation tools,

I agree, theoretically. In practical terms, it has to be well-thought and rigourously implemented, which requires resources (basically programming time).

作者： clovis1122, 28.04.2016 at 12:01

As for the "ways to do it", believe me there are PLENTY of proposals made to achieve this. Meester have A LOT of ideas in regard of the topic - only problem being admin's unavailability to do them.

With so many time you can't really say that the admins didn't had enough to work on them . The ban list was the last tool implemented in control of the players and it was years ago.

What I think is that there is a lack of interest in regards of self-moderation. Here my post to raise awareness.

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

I'm not completely opposed against adding new mods. But I believe that the game should take the self-moderation approach more serious as it would reduce the problem in the long run.

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作者： Columna Durruti, 02.05.2016 at 23:37

作者： clovis1122, 02.05.2016 at 19:57

and the ones that you've pointed out have several flaws. The ignore have bugs, and the ban list is seems by a part of the community as abusive and ineffective (the fact that it requires a thread to handle it is already enough proof).

Yes and nope. They possibly have bugs, not flaws.
As for the ban lists (plural, since they are 2 in 1) the existence of an appeal thead is not that it does not work, but, rather, that self-regulation maturity of some community members isn't that evolved as you (or we) wish.
The abuse of the tool is not a problem of the tool but of their users.

作者： notserral, 30.10.2015 at 15:39

作者： Tundy, 30.10.2015 at 14:32

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I don't think we should add more features based on the ban list. IMO it's a flawed system and has got to go. Therefore I think we should work on an automated ban system that satisfies both the mapmakers and the general player base. The appeal format is not reliable, since mods have periods of inactivity and all that jazz.

作者： notserral, 30.10.2015 at 13:38

It has been proven time and time again that it is a flawed system and prone to abuse, from both sides. A better solution should be designed and implemented.

I think that Pulse made it quite clear from long ago. Besides, if moderators need to check one's ban list in order to secure that he's making a good use of it. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of self-moderation? Aren't ban lists "moderated" to prevent the abuses that a person can make with them?

作者： clovis1122, 03.05.2016 at 06:45

I think that Pulse made it quite clear from long ago. Besides, if moderators need to check one's ban list in order to secure that he's making a good use of it. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of self-moderation? Aren't ban lists "moderated" to prevent the abuses that a person can make with them?

I disagree completely.

Again, you (and possibly Pulse) are only referring to the banlist that was designed for map-makers (minority in this community) and you are omitting the main ban-list feature - that is de facto available for ALL players -, which is the ban of players from hosted games.
Again, abuses of the system are not indicator of a system flawness but of the abuses when "power" of self-regulation is given to a community that has immature members.
Yes, ban-lists are moderated in the EXTREME cases. Don't judge a system by its extreme cases, otherwise you won't find anything that works. If 90% (just a number, possibly close to reality) of the bans are working (not disputed), then this self-regulation is working fine. Right?

I hope we do not go on discussing this point, it is pointless. We have different opinions.

The other point on the time of admins: it is definitely not up to me to judge them... would be hypocrit, since I know what RL pressures mean, like having to guarantee a decent income at the end of the month.
Just a very kind suggestion: people cannot spend as much time on AW like you assume and do. At least not in the long run.

作者： Columna Durruti, 03.05.2016 at 07:47

I hope we do not go on discussing this point, it is pointless. We have different opinions.

Guess so...

作者： clovis1122, 03.05.2016 at 06:45

With so many time you can't really say that the admins didn't had enough to work on them . The ban list was the last tool implemented in control of the players and it was years ago.

I don't want to get involved in this discussion as Columna Durruti has already explained a fair bit of it clearly, but I do want to point out that the admins do infact not have time. You're forgetting the admins are human being with real life commitments and families(from your activity I can tell these are 2 thing you lack).

I think it is clear that the admins do infact want to improve the game, based on the multiple game changing changes introduced lately, but one thing is clear only Ivan is free right now and he's no programmer. Everything you mention with regards to "self-moderation" needs to be programmed.. you can't just wave a wand and let it be. So unless you're willing to donate $4000? to the company to hire another programmer, I suggest you be patient and not blantely accuse people of not meeting your needs.

作者： Meester, 03.05.2016 at 09:36

but I do want to point out that the admins do infact not have time. You're forgetting the admins are human being with real life commitments and families(from your activity I can tell these are 2 thing you lack).

Again I find it hard to believe that after a couple of years and with the constant upgrades that have been coming admins (look at the most recent one) didn't really had time to implement some additional tools. I'd rather call it a lack of interest, but I will respect your opinion.

I do have RL issues and a family (don't we all?) and I've had my own things to attend to. I know I do have more free time than the admins, but that doesn't means that I don't know what not having time is (why would you even make such comment? :I)

作者： Meester, 03.05.2016 at 09:36

So unless you're willing to donate $4000? to the company to hire another programmer, I suggest you be patient and not blantely accuse people of not meeting your needs.

Why so rude? I've never 'demanded' new tools. I've just expose my opinion that the game should focus more in making new tools rather than adding new mods and explained why this approach is better at the long run. I believe that atWar is not here to pleasure anyone, and of course that includes me.

Don't forget that I've no power to make demands. Why would I do them?