Blitz

Why inf have -1 in the city? Why? Why? And Why?

Because it's to op

作者： Htin, 03.04.2016 at 16:05

Because it's to op

GW op too nerf it then

Because Laochra.....

作者： Ghostface, 03.04.2016 at 16:22

Because Laochra.....

Couldn't afford to lose the fight against Soldier and Croat. As a last wish changed the Nerf from militias to infantries.

The fun thing, is that Technically Blitz was Never Nerfed. After the militia Nerf was removed nor Croat nor Soldier complained about this (-1 def on cities) change. Did they already knew that the Nerf was useless? or maybe they just didn't feel it at all while playing blitz? Many questions arises whenever you ask why nobody questioned the -1 def on cities back then.

After the bonus was re-implemented blitz infantries started to effectively have -1 defense. The people noticed and started to complain. Last time I spoke with lao I think he say that he still "see people playing blitz and dominating with it". Personally I haven't see blitz Ukraine in ages.

作者： Guest, 03.04.2016 at 16:07

作者： Htin, 03.04.2016 at 16:05

Because it's to op

GW op too nerf it then

who says I support gw

作者： clovis1122, 03.04.2016 at 16:30

After the bonus was re-implemented blitz infantries started to effectively have -1 defense.

^
The reason why I slowly started to play west incredibly more than east. As you know, I was liking to play blitzkrieg Ukraine and I was doing very well with it. I think that country-strat combo was making about 70% of my 3v3 games.
Now, honestly, I don't remember when I played blitz last time, the reason is mentioned above..

Whatever Lao told you about blitz, trust me - GW has practically replaced blitz and it is even more strong than Blitz from it's gold days before nerfs.
Nowadays, no one seriously uses Blitz (including me, one of top 3 blitz users on the game) because it is just ruined and fucked up strategy which cannot deal with the rest of strats anymore. And it's sad, but true

Why RA is shit WHY WHY WHY

作者： Nations, 03.04.2016 at 18:03

Why RA is shit WHY WHY WHY

作者： Ghostface, 03.04.2016 at 16:22

Because Laochra.....

作者： Ghostface, 03.04.2016 at 16:22

Because Laochra.....

Remove it plz and lao learn to play blitz,
acq learn to play RA

作者： clovis1122, 03.04.2016 at 16:30

After the bonus was re-implemented blitz infantries started to effectively have -1 defense. The people noticed and started to complain. Last time I spoke with lao I think he say that he still "see people playing blitz and dominating with it". Personally I haven't see blitz Ukraine in ages.

ive used blitz in a few duels lately, both in 5k as poland and as italy against germ in 10k. Steve recently used it to deadly effect in ukr against me in a cw to snowball 120 units onto my cap t6 after uniting full russia, a feat no other strat can achieve.

It still strong and very useful at times. But ofc all the noobs whining here don't realise that.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 01:25

It still strong and very useful at times. But ofc all the noobs whining here don't realise that.

When a person, who used blitz 3 times in his entire life, gives himself a right to implement changes (in this case nerfs) on it and who actually ruined one very good and competitive strategy talk to you on this way, you know you were right once you counteracted to his wishes. And it is obvious today by the number of Blitz players.

As for Steve's Ukraine rush on turn 6 with 120 units.... you are making me laugh.
Is number of rushing units per turn base of your 'pro' strategy changes? You got rekted by Blitz rush several times before so you nerfed it?
Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 01:25

It still strong and very useful at times. But ofc all the noobs whining here don't realise that.

When a person, who used blitz 3 times in his entire life, gives himself a right to implement changes (in this case nerfs) on it and who actually ruined one very good and competitive strategy talk to you on this way, you know you were right once you counteracted to his wishes. And it is obvious today by the number of Blitz players.

As for Steve's Ukraine rush on turn 6 with 160 units.... you are making me laugh.
Is number of rushing units per turn base of your 'pro' strategy changes? You got rekted by Blitz rush several times before so you nerfed it?
Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put +100 on Kiev already at turn3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

logic of laochra and others:I lose to it,not my fault though,his strat is OP!

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 01:25

作者： clovis1122, 03.04.2016 at 16:30

After the bonus was re-implemented blitz infantries started to effectively have -1 defense. The people noticed and started to complain. Last time I spoke with lao I think he say that he still "see people playing blitz and dominating with it". Personally I haven't see blitz Ukraine in ages.

ive used blitz in a few duels lately, both in 5k as poland and as italy against germ in 10k. Steve recently used it to deadly effect in ukr against me in a cw to snowball 120 units onto my cap t6 after uniting full russia, a feat no other strat can achieve.

It still strong and very useful at times. But ofc all the noobs whining here don't realise that.

You should have rushed him the second you realised he was blitz... But you're too noob to realise that.....

Its incredibly difficult to hold kiev without effective walling and a player of the highest caliber will always wall fuck that area south of kiev and the sea etc... PD turk rush t3 or imp turk rush with funds t4 can smash blitz in that circumstance.

But you never rush so you wouldn't know that.

There should be a nerf on blitz defense overall but not as heavy as it is.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 01:25

It still strong and very useful at times. But ofc all the noobs whining here don't realise that.

When a person, who used blitz 3 times in his entire life, gives himself a right to implement changes (in this case nerfs) on it and who actually ruined one very good and competitive strategy talk to you on this way, you know you were right once you counteracted to his wishes. And it is obvious today by the number of Blitz players.

As for Steve's Ukraine rush on turn 6 with 120 units.... you are making me laugh.
Is number of rushing units per turn base of your 'pro' strategy changes? You got rekted by Blitz rush several times before so you nerfed it?
Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

Why are you making up stuff? do you feel that it helps validate your argument? Where do you see my number of blitz plays?

1. In fact, blitz was in my top 3 strategies until r9. It was my number 1 strat up to late r8. I even used it when it was -2 defence.
2. It is still very much a competitive strategy, i encounter it all the time used to devastating effect. I even use it myself in duels, something i would not do if it was as useless as you are saying. Note how i never use hw or lb.
3. I did not take the sole right to have blitz nerfed. This was a decision that many players came to and agreed on.
4. Where did i get "rekt" by blitz? Where is the proof of this? Just because soldie/clovis etc say it to troll me does not make it true. It makes you look silly using it in an argument. In fact i was still beating the majority of the blitz users. I played beserok blitz ukr many times. Think he only beat me once in 5 tries. The only player that maintained a half decent win % against me with blitz was zone back when he was a top tier player.
5. I posted this before but im not rooting through a years worth of posts to find it. Blitz was nerfed because:

- You could use it effectively from 3k to 50k. Huge range, expansion capabilities and versatility. The 3k was the biggest issue. It is a stronger expansion stealer than gw and imperialist(still is). It was wrecking them in their niche. You could even slowroll surprisingly well with blitz on 3k africa. It was hilarious
- It also dominated mid tier fund games. In some cases you could even defend better than pd because of the ability to bring more units to defend(stacking effect anyone? clovis finally admits it exists). Blitz was and is an offensive strat. It's not meant to be able to defend like pd as well as having huge offensive power.
- Blitz was originally -2 to all units and still an extremely popular strategy. It is the second lowest skill strat after ra because the huge range removes the same need for rangeskills. And also because its' gameplay is high risk in nature. In most cases it is go agressive or die.

These were the arguments as to why blitz was nerfed. There were no counter arguments from the other side, just a lot of whining and fallacies.

6. Such arrogance croat. You're one of the top 3 blitz players? You would think you would respect the fact that as a player who you've literally never beaten anywhere, i may know something more about blitz and the strat dynamic than you do. I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency. You may be one of the players who plays blitz the most, but you are a long way down the list of best blitz players.

Thank god blitz got nerf by one point. or it would be always op

作者： Phoenix, 04.04.2016 at 07:22

You should have rushed him the second you realised he was blitz... But you're too noob to realise that.....

Its incredibly difficult to hold kiev without effective walling and a player of the highest caliber will always wall fuck that area south of kiev and the sea etc... PD turk rush t3 or imp turk rush with funds t4 can smash blitz in that circumstance.

But you never rush so you wouldn't know that.

There should be a nerf on blitz defense overall but not as heavy as it is.

another player with high notions about himself. You have never beaten me either yet think to advise me on how to play. I find this absolutely hilarious. You're 100% wrong too. Even now in its' current state blitz ukr can still stop a pd rush. Italy was beside me so it was a bad idea in any case.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

How is this done?

Blitz is good as it is.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Do you feel that it helps validate your argument? Where do you see my number of blitz plays?

There is something called symbolism and in this case it was my number 3 as number of your blitz games. By that I didn't want to say you really played 3 games with blitz, but you don't play it as often as you are claiming. It is not even in your top 3 used strategies, so please, spare me from this banalising.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

2. It is still very much a competitive strategy, i encounter it all the time used to devastating effect. I even use it myself in duels, something i would not do if it was as useless as you are saying. Note how i never use hw or lb.

I have never said it is not a competitive strat anymore, but it's competitiveness is hardly ruined by nerfs, what is logical sequence. Especially nowadays when current GW practically replaced it in east Ukr-Turk games. I am here much active same as you are and it is more than obvious people stopped using it as before, it became a strategy which you use from time to time, very rarely, something as RA became on competitive scene. I am not talking here about 8- players whose only strats are RA, Blitz, PD or NC.
As for your 'valid' argument how you use it in your duels, I will just copy your words to you, since no one can know when and where you used it:

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Do you feel that it helps validate your argument? Where do you see my number of blitz plays?

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

3. I did not take the sole right to have blitz nerfed. This was a decision that many players came to and agreed on.

Trust me, I remember there was much bigger number of those who actually didn't agree with such a nerf. Even I was for Blitz nerfing, but not the way you (yes, mostly you) did it.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

4. Where did i get "rekt" by blitz? Where is the proof of this? Just because soldie/clovis etc say it to troll me does not make it true. It makes you look silly using it in an argument. In fact i was still beating the majority of the blitz users. I played beserok blitz ukr many times. Think he only beat me once in 5 tries. The only player that maintained a half decent win % against me with blitz was zone back when he was a top tier player.

Where is the proof of your blitz gaming with beserok or zone?
If you want to refute someone's invalid arguments, then don't use same ones from your side. Simply.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

5. I posted this before but im not rooting through a years worth of posts to find it. Blitz was nerfed because:
- You could use it effectively from 3k to 50k. Huge range, expansion capabilities and versatility. The 3k was the biggest issue. It is a stronger expansion stealer than gw and imperialist(still is). It was wrecking them in their niche. You could even slowroll surprisingly well with blitz on 3k africa. It was hilarious
- It also dominated mid tier fund games. In some cases you could even defend better than pd because of the ability to bring more units to defend(stacking effect anyone? clovis finally admits it exists). Blitz was and is an offensive strat. It's not meant to be able to defend like pd as well as having huge offensive power.
- Blitz was originally -2 to all units and still an extremely popular strategy. It is the second lowest skill strat after ra because the huge range removes the same need for rangeskills. And also because its' gameplay is high risk in nature. In most cases it is go agressive or die.
These were the arguments as to why blitz was nerfed. There were no counter arguments from the other side, just a lot of whining and fallacies.

This are only your statements why blitz should be nerfed. And am seeing them as fallacies and whining until your nerf wish was realized. We can talk on that way who said real argument, who didn't say real argument, what is fallacy and what is not, forever. I just wanted to point out something that plenty of players are agreeing with - that Blitzkrieg is not as shiny strategy as it was and nowadays it has gone in shadow of PD and GW. That's not an argument, that is fact which is finally visible after months passed from the last Blitz chagnes. And within few more months (just wait until more people notice the strenght of GW on east), it will crystalize even more.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

6. Such arrogance croat. You're one of the top 3 blitz players? You would think you would respect the fact that as a player who you've literally never beaten anywhere, i may know something more about blitz and the strat dynamic than you do. I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency. You may be one of the players who plays blitz the most, but you are a long way down the list of best blitz players.

Hey, stop tumbling my words to gain false points on your theory. This is what I have said:

作者： Croat, 03.04.2016 at 16:48

Nowadays, no one seriously uses Blitz (including me, one of top 3 blitz users on the game)

By top 3 users I meant users who actively use Blitzkrieg as their strategy. I said nowhere I am a top Blitz player (?!), so don't put that purposely in my mouth.
I don't give a single shit who is best at which strategy, everyone has his desirable strategy and one which he likes to play mostly. So did I with Blitzkrieg. Did.
Assuming that I was one of it's top users (including Soldier, El Crey, ..) I consider myself enough relevant to say it is ruined and it forced me to change my strat priorities. Since you are, as you claim, top tier player (damn, I have vomitted of your dose of prepotency), you should take it as something normal from someone who hasn't got 100% efficency with all the strats as you.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:44

作者： Phoenix, 04.04.2016 at 07:22

You should have rushed him the second you realised he was blitz... But you're too noob to realise that.....

Its incredibly difficult to hold kiev without effective walling and a player of the highest caliber will always wall fuck that area south of kiev and the sea etc... PD turk rush t3 or imp turk rush with funds t4 can smash blitz in that circumstance.

But you never rush so you wouldn't know that.

There should be a nerf on blitz defense overall but not as heavy as it is.

another player with high notions about himself. You have never beaten me either yet think to advise me on how to play. I find this absolutely hilarious. You're 100% wrong too. Even now in its' current state blitz ukr can still stop a pd rush. Italy was beside me so it was a bad idea in any case.

I haven't got high notions about myself, I'm talking from experience.

Duel?

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

3. I did not take the sole right to have blitz nerfed. This was a decision that many players came to and agreed on.

You were the one who proposed and pushed it even though there was a considerable opposition to the change. Doesn't seems like you regret it though, despite the hate that it generated.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

4. Where did i get "rekt" by blitz? Where is the proof of this? Just because soldie/clovis etc say it to troll me does not make it true. It makes you look silly using it in an argument. In fact i was still beating the majority of the blitz users. I played beserok blitz ukr many times. Think he only beat me once in 5 tries.

Impressive if you've managed to dominate BeSerok 4 out of 5 games (you did not, I just checked). I've also applauded you in that thread for having a positive W:L ratio against Soldier, one of my hardest opponents. Was it after or before the movement dilution theory? Don't know but well done either way.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

5. I posted this before but im not rooting through a years worth of posts to find it. Blitz was nerfed because:
- You could use it effectively from 3k to 50k. Huge range, expansion capabilities and versatility. The 3k was the biggest issue. It is a stronger expansion stealer than gw and imperialist(still is). It was wrecking them in their niche. You could even slowroll surprisingly well with blitz on 3k africa. It was hilarious.

Did you just said that gw and imperialist are meant to be "expansion stealer"?

Also, blitz was the pre-gw on Africa. Old Afterwind players used it before GW due to it's militia range. You cant really point a strategy being good on it's niche as a reason to Nerf it.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

- It also dominated mid tier fund games. In some cases you could even defend better than pd because of the ability to bring more units to defend(stacking effect anyone? clovis finally admits it exists). Blitz was and is an offensive strat. It's not meant to be able to defend like pd as well as having huge offensive power.

You'd need around 1.5x more troops than PD can get in order to it being "better". Even then, PD infantries would still get the battle stacking bonus due to the att/def value being considered more than the numbers. 50 PD inf would defend better than 100 Blitz militias in this case.




I would do a little test stacking Kiev with both Blitz and PD against a PD Turkey Rush... but then you would claim that I didnt played the strat "efficiently enough".. So how about if we do this test together?

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

- Blitz was originally -2 to all units and still an extremely popular strategy. It is the second lowest skill strat after ra because the huge range removes the same need for rangeskills. And also because its' gameplay is high risk in nature. In most cases it is go agressive or die.

You call it "low skilled"... I call it ergonomic. That statement of blitz being popular at -2 defense is a wild claim that can't be proved. If you made it up based on your experience is to always see someone using blitz on your world 50k games or UNs, mine is being discouraged since the very start.

作者： Desu, 26.09.2013 at 12:08

Do NOT use at ANY time:
Blitzkrieg - Blitz - This probably the best of the bottom three, and can be dangerous long range and for surprise attacks, or when your opponent doesn't know what strategy you are. Otherwise this is exactly like TG, you can't hold what you take and can be easily routed in your advance. Do not use this.

Maybe not only mine, but every player who was into Europe back then.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Note how i never use hw or lb.

Sorry, had to highlight this from the rest. It was funny as hell.


xD

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

There is something called symbolism and in this case it was my number 3 as number of your blitz games. By that I didn't want to say you really played 3 games with blitz, but you don't play it as often as you are claiming. It is not even in your top 3 used strategies, so please, spare me from this banalising.

It is not symbolism, it is exaggeration used to banalise(to use your word) me.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

I have never said it is not a competitive strat anymore, but it's competitiveness is hardly ruined by nerfs, what is logical sequence. Especially nowadays when current GW practically replaced it in east Ukr-Turk games. I am here much active same as you are and it is more than obvious people stopped using it as before, it became a strategy which you use from time to time, very rarely, something as RA became on competitive scene. I am not talking here about 8- players whose only strats are RA, Blitz, PD or NC.
As for your 'valid' argument how you use it in your duels, I will just copy your words to you, since no one can know when and where you used it:

Well i see it quite regularly. And ummm, actually someone can know when and where i used it. Me and the guy i played. I beat critical with it and jf, i think don too i cant remember. CE killed me with it in a 3k game recently, think it was a tourney. I could go on but you get the idea. But apparently you don't even play that much anymore so no wonder you are not seeing it.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

Trust me, I remember there was much bigger number of those who actually didn't agree with such a nerf. Even I was for Blitz nerfing, but not the way you (yes, mostly you) did it.

Yes but the admins respond to logic and reasoning rather than the opinions of those seeking to protect their favourite strat. As someone who argues about politics in offtopic a lot, i am sure you understand how democracy is flawed.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

Where is the proof of your blitz gaming with beserok or zone?
If you want to refute someone's invalid arguments, then don't use same ones from your side. Simply.

on my duel list. Beserok only ever played blitz ukr against me. If you're really determined go mail him. Zone could also confirm. This is not like you stating that blitz was nerfed because i was getting rekt by it. You're just parroting soldier. As i said, where is the proof of that?

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

This are only your statements why blitz should be nerfed. And am seeing them as fallacies and whining until your nerf wish was realized. We can talk on that way who said real argument, who didn't say real argument, what is fallacy and what is not, forever. I just wanted to point out something that plenty of players are agreeing with - that Blitzkrieg is not as shiny strategy as it was and nowadays it has gone in shadow of PD and GW. That's not an argument, that is fact which is finally visible after months passed from the last Blitz chagnes. And within few more months (just wait until more people notice the strenght of GW on east), it will crystalize even more.

You cannot simply see them as fallacies. They are either fallacies or they are not. You can fact check all of those arguments so not a single one of them are fallacies. Provide a counter argument or stop whining. And gw, not all that overwhelming on east. Ask clovis., i wrecked his many times. I even caught a few of his duels where he was doing the same to others. But i had nothing to do with the gw boost in the first place. That was an oversight by amok when he reversed the city defence bugfix.

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 08:27

Hey, stop tumbling my words to gain false points on your theory. This is what I have said:

作者： Croat, 03.04.2016 at 16:48

Nowadays, no one seriously uses Blitz (including me, one of top 3 blitz users on the game)

By top 3 users I meant users who actively use Blitzkrieg as their strategy. I said nowhere I am a top Blitz player (?!), so don't put that purposely in my mouth.
I don't give a single shit who is best at which strategy, everyone has his desirable strategy and one which he likes to play mostly. So did I with Blitzkrieg. Did.
Assuming that I was one of it's top users (including Soldier, El Crey, ..) I consider myself enough relevant to say it is ruined and it forced me to change my strat priorities. Since you are, as you claim, top tier player (damn, I have vomitted of your dose of prepotency), you should take it as something normal from someone who hasn't got 100% efficency with all the strats as you.

State what you mean more clearly.

作者： clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:54

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Note how i never use hw or lb.

Sorry, had to highlight this from the rest. It was funny as hell.


xD

i assume you quoted this because you interpret it to be a contradiction. What is really as funny as hell, is that it is not and you just made yourself look like a tool.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:08

on my duel list. Beserok only ever played blitz ukr against me.

We will stop here because you're obviously lying.


It took me 2 minutes to prove your valid arguments and theories are bunch of lies and own thoughts posted to hold water of your blitz nerf defence.
According to your own words, you played 5 duels with beserok and he has beaten you only once.
I quote your words:

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

4. In fact i was still beating the majority of the blitz users. I played beserok blitz ukr many times. Think he only beat me once in 5 tries.

That means you have won 4/5 duels against him. Okay, if you say so, but facts are against you.
You played him more than 5 times, also he has beaten you more than once. But that's not important.
You played him 6 times in period of 78 days. You really want me to trust you remember that you played those duels (577, 557, 491, 458, 449 days ago) as blitz or against his blitz?
Don't be so funny

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:24

作者： clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:54

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Note how i never use hw or lb.

Sorry, had to highlight this from the rest. It was funny as hell.


xD

i assume you quoted this because you interpret it to be a contradiction. What is really as funny as hell, is that it is not and you just made yourself look like a tool.

I'd love to see you playing either of those strat 100% efficiently at the first try.

Duel?

作者： Croat, 04.04.2016 at 09:29

That means you have won 4/5 duels against him. Okay, if you say so, but facts are against you.
You played him more than 5 times, also he has beaten you more than once. But that's not important.
You played him 6 times in period of 78 days. You really want me to trust you remember that you played those duels (577 days ago) as blitz or against blitz?
Don't be so funy

Hmmm I found 3-2 when I checked. I could'be probably missed some duels though. Good thing that you checked it as well.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:24

作者： clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:54

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

I am a top tier player, i can play all of the strats to 100% efficency.

作者： Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

Note how i never use hw or lb.

Sorry, had to highlight this from the rest. It was funny as hell.


xD

i assume you quoted this because you interpret it to be a contradiction. What is really as funny as hell, is that it is not and you just made yourself look like a tool.

I fail to see how that post made Clovis look like a fool. Its you vs the community on this one.

Do the PD rush test and lest see if I'm right. Until then quit being negative and playing the point scoring game vs everyone that disagrees with you