When should I give in?
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发表从 Professor Adog, 26.07.2014 - 19:31
It concerns one of the key issues affecting atwar today, RP. After you read that comment you might think I am one of those whiners who say delete RP.
This isn't one of those posts. I wanted to discuss, Adog RP. Yes it's an RP, well done. Maybe you hate rp, I don't blame you. I used to hate it too, because it killed my growing maps (LoN) and created a new world of extreme noobism. The future of Adog RP seems bleak.
There are many problems with (Tempted) RP, one of the main problems are the units. The RA - tuned, bunker spamming units. These are perfect for noobs, but when they leave RP at rank 8 or 9, they will have no clue about any other strategy apart from RA. They will have no clue about budgeting. They will have no clue about any tactics of defence as Noob RA spammage doesn't require any defence.
I generally, solve these problems. Yes, I can't solve all of them, but adog RP solves many. The idea behind adog RP, was that it's RP so yes lots of unit spamming, higher than average incomes (I make my incomes are way less than Tempted's tho), but at the same time it teaches them about new strategies and new ideas. Many want to go SM, many try MoS or GW, others even try PD. So it's a transitional map. It mixes noobism with key ingredients for the future. This is why, in the RP world, those who play Adog RP are like the 3v3 community of atwar. They are the elites of the RP world. Some people are too close minded. They don't try to understand that this map is indeed an RP, but one which is designed to help cure the effects of Tempted.
I have however, been asked several times to have my RP cloned. Around 10-15 times (by the noob tempted worshippers). Why? Because they want it to have tempted units but have my good borders and other units they like from mine. Around 80-90% of tempted players (I asked around 40-50 players) would play Adog's RP instead of tempted if it had those noob units. 10/10 hosts prefer my borders and 9/10 hosts (RP hosts of course) would choose Adog RP over tempted if it had those retarded units. Very rapidly, Adog RP would become the most popular map on atwar.
If I wanted power I would have done it already. If I wanted popularity I would have done it already. If I wanted to abuse ban-list I would have done it already. The Question then is why not? Why is it, that for months I have not done anything? It's because I stand my ground. I will stick to the aim of trying to make atwar better, I will not let go of my ethics. Despite common belief I do not play RP all day, nor am I a major RP fag who likes to RA spam. Remember, before cartography, I was a ww2 player. So I will continue to fight for that better future for atwar, the one high ranks dream of.
But very since the infancy of Adog RP, I've been receiving a lot of hate - A lot of hate speech against me. Slowly of course, it makes me question myself why are we even doing this in the first place? Why fight for a high rank community, who seriously treat you like shit? Why try to make atwar a better place, when you get insulted by the noobs because they like tempted more (who then troll your games), and then walk into lobby and get assaulted by high ranks who think you just made Tempted v.2
High ranks think low ranks are ignorant. This is true in many cases. But sometimes, I think the high ranks, need to have a look at themselves first.
So here are the possible suggestions I've had facing Adog RP.
- Delete it adog, delete it! It will help atwar - No, not true. Most will just go back to Tempted RP, that wouldn't solve anything. Anyone who thinks this is illogical.
- Leave it as it is - It would help the community, but as said before... WHY should I?
- Crack. Finally give in. - Why would I give in you ask? Because at-least the noobs treat me better than this horrible ignorant close minded high rank society
But it's not necessarily the case that ALL high ranks are close minded, many such as Devils Lettuce or Black Shark see the potential. But I'm afraid if the horrible high rank society keep treating me like this I'll crack within a couple of days. And when I do, there will be the rise of a new RP map, a combination of both, currently the RP world is segregated into Nooby Tempted followers, and the more skilled Adog RP players, but when that map comes it will recombine them into a giant mesh of noobs.
So I'll leave you with a thought for the night (currently 1:33 AM for me) Good luck atwar.
[PS: If you think I am crying, well you're a hypocrite. Go cry more about how you hate RP. Fag. Because it's whiners like you who ruin atwar.]
how are they better? better at 3v3 or eu+ yes, but at scenarios no. its saying that an apple is better than a pear at being an apple, no shit. There are many overlap players, like myself. you cant compare these players unless your 3v3 players can compete in scenarios with the best scenarios.
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support. hate to break it to you but we arent that bad at playing. Scenarios can be rich and encourage strats that arent used in 3v3 but look at what i played as rank 6 and 7, all aetius and pyrrhus maps, they make EU+ look so fucking rich. Scenarios give the ability to create different styles of gameplay dont hate cause you cant compete.
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Honestly I would rather play with the default units than yours. The either 1 attack or 1 defense thing with your units is so annoying. It reminds me of playing Great Combinator, the least used strategy. Don't make your units faggy like tempted's just make them more like default units. Seriously no one like GC, no one.
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Omg I'm relevant  .Now, I've played RP before to see why people like it so much. 1st, every strat except Imp, LB, IF, Blitz cannot work in RP. Why? All of the units are Others of course. 2nd, do you learn economic management? Well, sometimes you start off poor if you pick badly. You can start off with 40k+. The units are expensive, but the huge economic boost and starting money doesn't get affected very much. As Germany I had dozens and dozens of these op units with 14/9 for stats in this one game. 3rd, Skill? Erm, not really. In the same game I had those OP units UK suicided on me and lost a big gen stack. Sadly idk how big it was, but this is England so it must have been 60+. Btw, they always make tanks. Use anti tank infs on them and you will kill em since no one uses them. 4th, Balance? Can't really say that. Lots of countries have different units. And I doubt Tempted bothered to count the reinforcment for balance. You can it for yourself. See if I'm wrong. Conclusion: RP is bad. Adog, continue with Adog RP.
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I've played Tempted RP before.. I could spam bunkers and literally ruin the game for everyone.. Yes the borders are bad. But there is literally nothing that could be done. I support RP believe it or not, if you like to play it, and it's what gives you joy in atwar, fine so be it! But do I think it needs some type of nerf on the SP? Absolutely.
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I played a scenario once , picked the toughest country to play, had no idea about units, no idea i should make ludacris walls, no idea what to do ...yet somehow at the end of the game i had most sp most units killed even caped a skilled scenario high rank with ridicilous marine squad and got his high number of units out of the game ...so much about us 3v3 players that cant adapt to scenarios :p
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World war something ...only thing basicly you need to do is realize what unit is what and your good to go ...to me its not so different from world games . Later stage of world ofc
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1) No no, it killed my LoN ._. <3 LoN. Also tempted's is a shit map anyway. 2) I mean high ranks, the high ranks who can't play who emerge from tempted, imo are pseudo-high ranks. So I'm ignoring about them, and I'm talking about people like you  3) Those are the ones who stay in Tempted RP. They are beyond help. I do not wish to mingle with them, and I'm not "taking away" any maps. 4) "You cannot be a puppet master controlling the strings." Turns out you can. Around 70% of RP players who play adog rp find that RA is no longer a viable strategy. They end up using a variety of strategies, I am not forcing them to change their way of playing, rather I am giving them an opportunity to explore - while having fun playing RP So it's an enjoyable learning experience. I'm not forcing anyone into games they don't like, because Adog RP fans will play Adog RP. Slowly some tempted players convert on their own choice. I'm not forcing anyone.
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Unit stat deflation was required, to deal with the units I will inflate. The only other option was to make Unit: Other, for the inflated units, and the entire idea was to teach strategy, so that wouldn't be viable.
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You have done it.
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You little autistic child, go back to your orphanage. I'm not dealing with your autism any-more. Go cry more.
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Sorry I don't respond with an actual explaination of why, once again, you are wrong. Because trying to explain logic to a person like yourself gets me no where.
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Sorry, we'll get back on topic then.
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this isnt true, 3v3s and the like are where the best players in this community play, its where the competition exists to practice against. if you dont play them youll never reach a high level of skill in aw. once youve reached the stage in aw where youre not learning off expansions, where youve mastered all the strats, their strengths weaknesses and how/where to play them. you can hop into any game on any map and dominate. i play quite a few scenarios, usually when i want to play something chill out for fun, zombie apocalypse, LOTR. GOT being my main ones. ive never been dominated off these maps by anyone. even WW2, my first time playing it i went italy, i was told what italys purpose was then proceeded to crush the unknown high ranks opposite me in the middle east.
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thats because italy is medium pick for ranks 7-8 i would love to see u play as germany,mainstein, or russia.
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Fuck that tunder. I'd like to see him play Japan
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I doesn't really matter what you do as you are going upset either a large group of noobs you don't care about, or a little elite you do care about. Someone is going to cry, but if I were in your shoes and to choose to add the units or not, I would choose not to.
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While ADOG and I aren't the best of friends (nor are we friends), I understand where the guy is coming from. I think some of you guys need to give him a break and that's just from reading some of the above posts. However I don't think it was wise to create a whole topic about it on ADOG's part, that's borderline Attention-Seeking in my opinion.
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I'm sorry Adog, but I didn't read the entire thread. I did read your OP though. Reading the options you proposed, I'd like to add another, more interesting one: make your map harder. Decrease incomes, do not allow any above 400. Decrease reinforcements, use 5 reinf instead of 8. Make sure income improvements (oil rigs, mines, etc) are hard to take and hard to defend (i.e. no other reinforcement in a wide area like Hawaii or Mongolia). Remove OP units. Decrease city density, make them count and be important. If it's just one more city, the player won't really care if it's taken or not and will go on in the offensive. The lack of obscene amounts of units forces the decision of where to use them. This is why 3v3 games and CWs are interesting - you often don't have access to 150 units to attack your opponent at any given time. The skill in AtWar derives from being able to successfully predict your enemies' moves, to deny them reinforcements, deny them income, and with a buttload of units or income this becomes an empty effort. Do it, Adog. Make it harder. Make those 3v3 guys say they won't play it because it's too hard.
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im sorry but this is just complete bullshit, i love 3v3 but saying you learn skill in 3v3 only is bullshit, 3v3 is balanced, talk to me when you win an unbalanced map, like winning ww2 asia as siam against india and china with japan's lands.
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yes play manstein with a rank 5 romania against russia, play against tunder, critical, tiktok, myself etc. we would wipe the floor with you
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i agree, i dont care for RP because it makes everything OP and that isnt balance its just annoying
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i never said you learn skill only in 3v3, i said its where the best competition and skill in aw is to be found. and 3v3s dont encompass the competitive community, but europe+ is the primary setting.
you have a lot to learn marcus.
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