Notre Dame is burning

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

What do i gain except fake virtue by helping those who barely help themselves?
Some westerners are so far down this virtue hole, they don't see how counter-intuitive it is, its the reason why the western way of life and its art and culture is in a massive decline.
People like waffel would like to see the Notre dame be replaced with a migrant facility maybe? Or maybe it should stay in ruin and decay and no one should have done anything about it.

what do u mean its no longer an excuse lmao , colonial shit ended mostly after ww2 for 3rd world coutnries and then was still severly seen during the cold war where 1st world counties did countless coups on countries to follow their politicial agenda... Now most of those 3rd world countries are under constitutions made by dictators installed by 1st world countries where corporations and 1st world countries control their national resources. Yet your acting like none of that has happened and westerners should act like they havent caused all that damage?

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow

Obviously the longterm goal is to create independence but that's easier said than done. This display Is just an excuse to bash Europe generally and Christians specifically. Where are these precious humanitarians the other 364 days of the year I wonder? Oh that's right, spending their valuable western dollars on worthless consumer products like the rest of us. Maybe they should establish a mission in a 3rd world country and build hospitals and schools like the greedy Christians they have such distaste for.

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

People like waffel would like to see the Notre dame be replaced with a migrant facility maybe? Or maybe it should stay in ruin and decay and no one should have done anything about it.

Nic no offense, but aren't you an immigrant yourself? If I remember correctly you're currently living in Italy, while you're originaly from Macedonia. Or does this status only come along for you with a specific religion (hint: islam)? Bit hypocritical don't you think?

As I said before, your lack of reading comprehension makes you jump to wrong conclusions and assume things that aren't true. If you want to talk about subjects like these, and I am sure you do since almost every comment of yours is either about muslims or immigrants, then go ahead, but keep my name out of it, because I dont feel like discussing anything with you, since its a complete waste of my energy and my time. Your comments in this thread alone, do proof my point, and are the reason I usualy dont respond to your quotes, and its not because I am, as you say, scared of being fallacy, but because it's exhausting to put everything in layman's terms in order for you to understand a thing, so you don't jump to wrong conclusions and assume wrong things.

Though, you seem to have a special talent to blurt out incorrect things and falsely accuse people of anything.

作者： Acquiesce, 20.04.2019 at 17:44

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow

Obviously the longterm goal is to create independence but that's easier said than done. This display Is just an excuse to bash Europe generally and Christians specifically. Where are these precious humanitarians the other 364 days of the year I wonder? Oh that's right, spending their valuable western dollars on worthless consumer products like the rest of us. Maybe they should establish a mission in a 3rd world country and build hospitals and schools like the greedy Christians they have such distaste for.

You do realise that your sole argument in this whole thread is a comparison of 700 million euros that has been raised in less than 12 hours for the reconstruction of one building with people buying things that aren't absolutely necessary for their survival? Its not even proportionate.. Most things people buy, that arent really necessary for their own survival, do not cost 700 million euros, so I think its a bit generalized and really too far-fetched to even use this as an argument.

Not to mention that you clearly know nothing of the whole situation in France, with alot of citizens being unsatisfied with their government/president, and demonstrating and marching on the streets for months now. Yet their own president giving the reconstruction of Notre Dame, after 700 million euros has been collected in less than 12 hours, a higher priority than the actual problems the country is facing and those people demonstrate and march for. Not only that, but the world is facing many more problems, like global warming (eventhough you guys may deny it), wars, and plenty of species and animals going extinct as the most recent ones.

作者： Waffel, 20.04.2019 at 19:38

You do realise that your sole argument in this whole thread is a comparison of 700 million euros that has been raised in less than 12 hours for the reconstruction of one building with people buying things that aren't absolutely necessary for their survival? Its not even proportionate.. Most things people buy, that arent really necessary for their own survival, do not cost 700 million euros, so I think its a bit generalized and really too far-fetched to even use this as an argument.

Not to mention that you clearly know nothing of the whole situation in France, with alot of citizens being unsatisfied with their government/president, and demonstrating and marching on the streets for months now. Yet their own president giving the reconstruction of Notre Dame, after 700 million euros has been collected in less than 12 hours, a higher priority than the actual problems the country is facing and those people demonstrate and march for. Not only that, but the world is facing many more problems, like global warming (eventhough you guys may deny it), wars, and plenty of species and animals going extinct as the most recent ones.

1) It's not generalized, if everyone simply gave up say, Coca Cola, that alone is easily over a billion dollars per year that could go to aid. The same is true of infinite things we waste money on that could be directed at "many more problems". Of course, if you want a more direct example, I offered multiple, such as a football stadium. To use your own terminology: where's your cry thread about the Olympics? Think of all the wasted government funds every four years that could be spent on what you consider more pressing problems.

2) I am familiar enough with the economic situation in France, so I'm not sure why you make this lazy assumption that I'm not. I am informed enough to know it isn't the president that is "gifting" 700 million taxpayer euros to reconstruction, it's donations from various organizations and donors, granted for the specific cause of Notre Dame. So it isn't the French government's money at issue here, which you obviously know yourself, so I don't know why you're trying to weasel me with this specious line of reasoning.

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

What do i gain except fake virtue by helping those who barely help themselves?
Some westerners are so far down this virtue hole, they don't see how counter-intuitive it is, its the reason why the western way of life and its art and culture is in a massive decline.
People like waffel would like to see the Notre dame be replaced with a migrant facility maybe? Or maybe it should stay in ruin and decay and no one should have done anything about it.

k, maybe i can respect this...

Mind if i ask a hypothetical?

So if you were working away in your 'beautiful' Europe and you let's say you're a farmer, and your wife's a baker, and at the end of the growing season, you had enough grain for wifey to bake 1 000 loaves of bread, which is enough to feed you and your entire village until the next harvest, and you still had 100 loaves to spare, which is just going to go moldy, so you start feeding it to the wild animals.

Now you hear there's some hunger in the next village, and a traveler offers to take 5 loaves to them and it will save the lives of 2 or 3 kids. Would you not feed them because they'll just be hungry next season?

Now even if you still say no to this, i can still respect that... they've over-populated and need to use condoms.

But let's say your village is the reason they can't feed themselves... (maybe you're people dumped waste in their fields, or bribed all their farmers to come to your village and work your lands, leaving them without enough labourers).

So if you can clearly see you're village is the reason they have children going hungry, now would you give them the 5 loaves to save 2 or 3?

Just curious... ♥

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

I can agree with your stance that Africa doesn't need short-term charity, but a long-term though-out plan that helps them improve and channel resources to the correct places. But that'd also lead us to a problem: Africa is not a continent of Nation-States as we know them today and its borders are artificial and crafted from 1885 onwards. It's true feeding an african children is just a drop on an ocean, but nonetheless, it's still worth doing something, anything at all that we can do to help those that are in disadvantage, whether as private citizens, private organizations, companies, ONG's or States - The fact Africa is a misery of a continent is precisely because it was foreignly conceived to be this way. If you wanna solve Africa's problems you need to reorganize all those borders and States. The dimension of the african question does not render the life of africans useless or helping them as futile. There's other ways you can help besides feeding fyi xd

To be honest, between you and me, Africa should just gather around in a UN-sponsored Summit and proceed to a new border definition that whould suit their ethnical, tribal, religious and "national" senses.

作者： brianwl, 20.04.2019 at 21:58

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

What do i gain except fake virtue by helping those who barely help themselves?
Some westerners are so far down this virtue hole, they don't see how counter-intuitive it is, its the reason why the western way of life and its art and culture is in a massive decline.
People like waffel would like to see the Notre dame be replaced with a migrant facility maybe? Or maybe it should stay in ruin and decay and no one should have done anything about it.

k, maybe i can respect this...

Mind if i ask a hypothetical?

So if you were working away in your 'beautiful' Europe and you let's say you're a farmer, and your wife's a baker, and at the end of the growing season, you had enough grain for wifey to bake 1 000 loaves of bread, which is enough to feed you and your entire village until the next harvest, and you still had 100 loaves to spare, which is just going to go moldy, so you start feeding it to the wild animals.

Now you hear there's some hunger in the next village, and a traveler offers to take 5 loaves to them and it will save the lives of 2 or 3 kids. Would you not feed them because they'll just be hungry next season?

Now even if you still say no to this, i can still respect that... they've over-populated and need to use condoms.

But let's say your village is the reason they can't feed themselves... (maybe you're people dumped waste in their fields, or bribed all their farmers to come to your village and work your lands, leaving them without enough labourers).

So if you can clearly see you're village is the reason they have children going hungry, now would you give them the 5 loaves to save 2 or 3?

Just curious... ♥

They should endure the hardships and figure out a plan to feed themself, my village might have been just like theirs at some point and it grew stronger because of the hard time. Whats the initiative their village gets if everything is done for them by others. None the less id still feed them if i were the direct reason for their hardship, a different generation of people shouldnt be held accountable for it though.

作者： Waffel, 20.04.2019 at 19:02

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

People like waffel would like to see the Notre dame be replaced with a migrant facility maybe? Or maybe it should stay in ruin and decay and no one should have done anything about it.

Nic no offense, but aren't you an immigrant yourself? If I remember correctly you're currently living in Italy, while you're originaly from Macedonia. Or does this status only come along for you with a specific religion (hint: islam)? Bit hypocritical don't you think?

As I said before, your lack of reading comprehension makes you jump to wrong conclusions and assume things that aren't true. If you want to talk about subjects like these, and I am sure you do since almost every comment of yours is either about muslims or immigrants, then go ahead, but keep my name out of it, because I dont feel like discussing anything with you, since its a complete waste of my energy and my time. Your comments in this thread alone, do proof my point, and are the reason I usualy dont respond to your quotes, and its not because I am, as you say, scared of being fallacy, but because it's exhausting to put everything in layman's terms in order for you to understand a thing, so you don't jump to wrong conclusions and assume wrong things.

Though, you seem to have a special talent to blurt out incorrect things and falsely accuse people of anything.

You just waited for me to make an assumption, so you could understand it as a conclusion instead, didn't you. I did say MAYBE, MAYBE IM WRONG or NOT. Maybe you do want a migrant centre in the middle of paris. Maybe you dont wanna do anything about it. It was NOT a conclusion.

Anyway you dont make any arguments only because of one reason:
You. Are. Scared. Of. Making. A. Fallacy.

Grow some balls and write what you mean, it wont hurt you. And people could value it properly, your first post was valued as ''cancer'' by quite a few people.

作者： Al Fappino, 21.04.2019 at 15:09

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

I can agree with your stance that Africa doesn't need short-term charity, but a long-term though-out plan that helps them improve and channel resources to the correct places. But that'd also lead us to a problem: Africa is not a continent of Nation-States as we know them today and its borders are artificial and crafted from 1885 onwards. It's true feeding an african children is just a drop on an ocean, but nonetheless, it's still worth doing something, anything at all that we can do to help those that are in disadvantage, whether as private citizens, private organizations, companies, ONG's or States - The fact Africa is a misery of a continent is precisely because it was foreignly conceived to be this way. If you wanna solve Africa's problems you need to reorganize all those borders and States. The dimension of the african question does not render the life of africans useless or helping them as futile. There's other ways you can help besides feeding fyi xd

To be honest, between you and me, Africa should just gather around in a UN-sponsored Summit and proceed to a new border definition that whould suit their ethnical, tribal, religious and "national" senses.

Some european borders are just as bad as african, it may be a source of instability, but its still generally isnt, its NOT the biggest problem. For example the balkans, theres always Irredentist maps and claims by each country.

Sure africa doesent have nation states, they were artificially created, they can change that if they want:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Federation

Please remember the French are world leaders in charity and global aid. Paris is also the heart of tolerateable and forgiving left. Additionally those were French leaders and peotrists that have formed most of liberal values we enjoy today and helped to spread it. Plus the fact they sacreficed their own soldiers to protect peace in Africa just 2 years ago and objected wars in the Middle East for years. Finally remember that they are very socialist country so saying French middle class cares only for consumption and money is ridicilous. It's not even 21 century socalisim. Personally when my family fleed from Vienna to Romania and then had to run for its like because or raids against us France was the only country willing to accept them. We are talking about era when colonialism still ruled the world.

Also don't act like they put all that away for the church or It's a bad news. FInally we see them uniting under agreeable stance instead of just criticzing and bashing each other instead of getting to the point. If they want to preserve the Church they have every right to. It might had leaden to populism but common ground is still better than divided house.

Also please don't quote me thanks.

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

Also please don't quote me thanks.

作者： BLACKMETAL3199, 21.04.2019 at 18:14

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

Also please don't quote me thanks.

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

Please remember the French are world leaders in charity and global aid. Paris is also the heart of tolerateable and forgiving left. Additionally those were French leaders and peotrists that have formed most of liberal values we enjoy today and helped to spread it. Plus the fact they sacreficed their own soldiers to protect peace in Africa just 2 years ago and objected wars in the Middle East for years. Finally remember that they are very socialist country so saying French middle class cares only for consumption and money is ridicilous. It's not even 21 century socalisim. Personally when my family fleed from Vienna to Romania and then had to run for its like because or raids against us France was the only country willing to accept them. We are talking about era when colonialism still ruled the world.

Also don't act like they put all that away for the church or It's a bad news. FInally we see them uniting under agreeable stance instead of just criticzing and bashing each other instead of getting to the point. If they want to preserve the Church they have every right to. It might had leaden to populism but common ground is still better than divided house.

Also please don't quote me thanks.

yes the french have become a very civilized nation which have helped alot in the past 30 yrs in humanitarium shit , but thats only cuz it feed on the natural resources of countless weaker nationes too fuel its inudstrial era for a shitload of more years xD.

作者： sirivann, 21.04.2019 at 19:15

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

yes the french have become a very civilized nation which have helped alot in the past 30 yrs in humanitarium shit , but thats only cuz it feed on the natural resources of countless weaker nationes too fuel its inudstrial era for a shitload of more years xD.

This is like saying that the Roman Empire was the greatest empire the earth had ever seen, but it only achieved that feat by blood sucking countless civilized and barbarian peoples alike.

You live in S. America (this is understandable, I mean, why would you care about a country situated at 8000km distance?) and from your response to Roai you only have vague ideas about France. Ce pays is a beacon of light in the world or it used to be. France lightened the path for many peoples and putting emphasis only on its colonial past is like speaking of Messi only in terms of his conviction for tax evasion.

France was, is and will be a formidable country and everyone should learn about its history (in its entirety, not only the bad or half-bad aspects) !

作者： Freeman, 22.04.2019 at 02:06

作者： sirivann, 21.04.2019 at 19:15

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

yes the french have become a very civilized nation which have helped alot in the past 30 yrs in humanitarium shit , but thats only cuz it feed on the natural resources of countless weaker nationes too fuel its inudstrial era for a shitload of more years xD.

This is like saying that the Roman Empire was the greatest empire the earth had ever seen, but it only achieved that feat by blood sucking countless civilized and barbarian peoples alike.

You live in S. America (this is understandable, I mean, why would you care about a country situated at 8000km distance?) and from your response to Roai you only have vague ideas about France. Ce pays is a beacon of light in the world or it used to be. France lightened the path for many peoples and putting emphasis only on its colonial past is like speaking of Messi only in terms of his conviction for tax evasion.

France was, is and will be a formidable country and everyone should learn about its history (in its entirety, not only the bad or half-bad aspects) !

Wait are you trying to say that the roman empire didnt become op because of masacring countless tribes and ruling with a iron fist of 0 tolerance?

Also Ignoring what they did for hundreds of years and the consecuencies/mass deaths it caused is stupid as fuck . How the hell are u comparing all that to some single human whose just a famous soccer player lol. Its easy to try act like they are more civilized and shit after living on a society built over others , Its like kids inheriting the rich blood empire of their parents and enjoying all the pros of it while acting like all the horrible shit done to become that way never happened.

I like too look at all the history of someone, blinding myself to only how it is now is stupid ,just like tieing it to objects ,be it buildings or art which were just status quo ppl made to consider themselfs superior and more cultured then the other european countries at the time during their hundreds of year of who has a bigger dick race lol.

Becon of light my ass , i swear its the same shit with the catholic church , people focusing in the beautifull art and cathedrals it built with all its blood gold while trying to act holy as fuck as if ppl cant read history in todays era too see the reality xD.

作者： sirivann, 22.04.2019 at 11:10

作者： Freeman, 22.04.2019 at 02:06

作者： sirivann, 21.04.2019 at 19:15

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

1. They ruled with an Iron Fist. However, they didn't massacre 'countless tribes', like massacre was their middle name. In De bello gallico, Caesar omits the genocides he did. Was he ashamed or it didn't look good in his glorious journal of his glorious wars?

2. So let's make the sum of the consequences of all the deaths caused by an empire in its entire lifespan? Messi's e.g. came into my mind, I could have mentioned any dark/embaressing episode of any people of Earth. 'A society built over others', why did Chile didn't build a society over others (this is almost a rethorical question)? so you can now be uber proud of your nation, like Frenchmen (and other peoples, ofc) are. And I am pretty sure they don't forget all the 'horrible shit done to become that way', especially when sirivann remembers them from time to time. Regarding this aspect, I liked how prince Henry of England was embarrassed of UK's colonial past. I am sure there are lots of French ppl who think the same

'I like too look at all the history of someone, blinding myself to only how it is now is stupid ,just like tieing it to objects ,be it buildings or art which were just status quo ppl made to consider themselfs superior and more cultured then the other european countries at the time during their hundreds of year of who has a bigger dick race lol.'

Man, I don't usually bash my discussion partners, but this paragraph looks like it was written when you were drunk.
3. So if I produce Art or Architecture and consider myself 'superior' over others, this is an UTTERLY bad thing? Especially when I produce (I, 'the people') Art of such quality and refinement that so so many intellectuals and artists around the globe consider it part of the apex of humanity's art? Literally no reason to be proud? You may find some even being smug because of this!

4. I like Jordan Peterson's opinion (taken too, from someplace else) that these marvelous cathedrals and churches were built to house God, the most marvelous being, after all (I paraphrase). If you don't like your faith, search for one that suits you, with simple churches and a simple, clean and straight to the heart bond with Christ. We can see the reality (if we want to) and all the world Churches have flaws. You proceeded in this case like in France's case. 'Let's bring the mud ahead' and all the beauty and valor, my friend? Where it is? You look a bit black pilled, cheer up:kiss:

作者： Freeman, 23.04.2019 at 05:42

作者： sirivann, 22.04.2019 at 11:10

作者： Freeman, 22.04.2019 at 02:06

作者： sirivann, 21.04.2019 at 19:15

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

1. They ruled with an Iron Fist. However, they didn't massacre 'countless tribes', like massacre was their middle name. In De bello gallico, Caesar omits the genocides he did. Was he ashamed or it didn't look good in his glorious journal of his glorious wars?

2. So let's make the sum of the consequences of all the deaths caused by an empire in its entire lifespan? Messi's e.g. came into my mind, I could have mentioned any dark/embaressing episode of any people of Earth. 'A society built over others', why did Chile didn't build a society over others (this is almost a rethorical question)? so you can now be uber proud of your nation, like Frenchmen (and other peoples, ofc) are. And I am pretty sure they don't forget all the 'horrible shit done to become that way', especially when sirivann remembers them from time to time. Regarding this aspect, I liked how prince Henry of England was embarrassed of UK's colonial past. I am sure there are lots of French ppl who think the same

'I like too look at all the history of someone, blinding myself to only how it is now is stupid ,just like tieing it to objects ,be it buildings or art which were just status quo ppl made to consider themselfs superior and more cultured then the other european countries at the time during their hundreds of year of who has a bigger dick race lol.'

Man, I don't usually bash my discussion partners, but this paragraph looks like it was written when you were drunk.
3. So if I produce Art or Architecture and consider myself 'superior' over others, this is an UTTERLY bad thing? Especially when I produce (I, 'the people') Art of such quality and refinement that so so many intellectuals and artists around the globe consider it part of the apex of humanity's art? Literally no reason to be proud? You may find some even being smug because of this!

4. I like Jordan Peterson's opinion (taken too, from someplace else) that these marvelous cathedrals and churches were built to house God, the most marvelous being, after all (I paraphrase). If you don't like your faith, search for one that suits you, with simple churches and a simple, clean and straight to the heart bond with Christ. We can see the reality (if we want to) and all the world Churches have flaws. You proceeded in this case like in France's case. 'Let's bring the mud ahead' and all the beauty and valor, my friend? Where it is? You look a bit black pilled, cheer up:kiss:

1-your saying the roman empire killed lil bit of tribes only?

2.Hey its not the rest of us fault that europe had the mentality that its religion had to be spread and territory anexed to its empire so did it in grand scale to all of us xD,Whoever ended up doing it and caused so much death would obviously still be the one seen in bad light for its historic crimes lol , yea i like how prince henry did that as well it means he knows his history and is aware of past mistakes .

3.Amazing Art and architecture is spread all around the world , im sure theirs ppl who use art to brag about just like theirs ppl who brag about some famous person being from their nation or their nation being stronger then others etc.

4.Yea i completly agreee

also on the part about me being drunk you were close , i was high as fuck xd

作者： sirivann, 23.04.2019 at 12:20

作者： Freeman, 23.04.2019 at 05:42

作者： sirivann, 22.04.2019 at 11:10

作者： Freeman, 22.04.2019 at 02:06

作者： sirivann, 21.04.2019 at 19:15

作者： Rock Lee, 21.04.2019 at 17:58

1. No, they defeated many nations and tribes. However, let's look at Dacia's e.g. Why did the Romans annex Dacia? Well, ummm, because these Dacians used to cross the Danube and raid Moesia time and time again? Romans always had a reason and Domitian after the first war had to conclude a favorable peace for the Dacians, while Trajan in the first and second Dacian-Roman war subjugated the barbarians. I agree, sometimes the reasons were a bit...feeble, but sometimes not, as it's the above case.

2. Up until the 12th century, Islam conquered two thirds of the entire Christian territory imposing its religion almost everywhere it had the power. And also, the Jesuistsand other orders couldn't have done in the Far East what they've done in S. America, for the simple reason that there their actions were backed by the political arm, while in the Far East not.
But look, with my thinking of a modern man, I find the Maya book burning by the Franciscans appalling. However, they wanted to impose the faith. And they did. In this process, however, immense chunks of Precolumbian culture, works of art, history recording were lost. This is very, very sad.......

3. You are right, it is. Just that some pieces of art are more mainstream than others, gems hidden up until some famous or upcoming famous artist discovers them and introduce them in the catalogue of 'great art'. Dw, it's still great art even if its not in that 'catalogue'. I speak especially from my country perspective, France had a great impact here, while in your country it had or not? Idk, probably it was minimal, and only through Spanish filtering.

Bro 1.000.000.000€ for a fucking church when some french die in the street we cant build a fucking hospital or schools this is why I hate french people
Liberté égalité fraternité none of them are actually respected in France.

Maybe the sum raised is immense. But we have the same discussion here in my country. Why build great churches instead of hospitals?

Maybe because...Notre Dame is France?

And me, as a hypothetically billionaire, if I don't care about the hungry dying in the streets, but I care of binding my name to the reconstruction of Notre Dame, why do you care? Did you ever give something (out of your pocket money) to some bum in the streets? Or do you want others to be charitable in some causes that you, honestly, don't believe into?

I dont understand, Notre dame burned and there are alrd 82 posts in this thread.
Why noone talks about Sri Lanka Terror attacks? Its now in top 10 deadliest terror attacks in history, and it placed 10...

作者： Freeman, 24.04.2019 at 09:05

Maybe the sum raised is immense. But we have the same discussion here in my country. Why build great churches instead of hospitals?

Maybe because...Notre Dame is France?

And me, as a hypothetically billionaire, if I don't care about the hungry dying in the streets, but I care of binding my name to the reconstruction of Notre Dame, why do you care? Did you ever give something (out of your pocket money) to some bum in the streets? Or do you want others to be charitable in some causes that you, honestly, don't believe into?

how is notre dame france. it's literally just some old ass building with pretty architecture and it would have been forgotten after a few years if it completely burned down.

this whole thing reminds me of this video

作者： 4nic, 21.04.2019 at 16:29

作者： Al Fappino, 21.04.2019 at 15:09

作者： 4nic, 20.04.2019 at 12:34

What use is feeding african children today? they will be hungry again tomorrow, Africa needs a long term plan and their countries need to learn to be self sustainable, the colonial times happened a century ago, its no longer an excuse or a victim card for all these countries, they are just too corrupt, the money does not go to its intended place. I dont wanna help them, i have my own little beautiful country in Europe which i try to sustain, and make the best i can for it.

I can agree with your stance that Africa doesn't need short-term charity, but a long-term though-out plan that helps them improve and channel resources to the correct places. But that'd also lead us to a problem: Africa is not a continent of Nation-States as we know them today and its borders are artificial and crafted from 1885 onwards. It's true feeding an african children is just a drop on an ocean, but nonetheless, it's still worth doing something, anything at all that we can do to help those that are in disadvantage, whether as private citizens, private organizations, companies, ONG's or States - The fact Africa is a misery of a continent is precisely because it was foreignly conceived to be this way. If you wanna solve Africa's problems you need to reorganize all those borders and States. The dimension of the african question does not render the life of africans useless or helping them as futile. There's other ways you can help besides feeding fyi xd

To be honest, between you and me, Africa should just gather around in a UN-sponsored Summit and proceed to a new border definition that whould suit their ethnical, tribal, religious and "national" senses.

Some european borders are just as bad as african, it may be a source of instability, but its still generally isnt, its NOT the biggest problem. For example the balkans, theres always Irredentist maps and claims by each country.

Sure africa doesent have nation states, they were artificially created, they can change that if they want:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Federation

You can't compare European borders with the African borders, at least in their reasoning, background or justification. The Balkan borders are well-drawn according to History, Culture and Nation. The issue is the balkan nations are just expansionist beyond their natural borders towards their neighbours..in Africa borders were drawn according to interests, resources and arbitrarily by European Powers.


Mauritania is jut an awful weird rectangle of desert drawn by France, where their nationals (who precede the State) were basically coastal pirates.


The Democratic Rep. of Congo is probably the best example of arbitrary border definition: DRC is literally the limits of the Conventional Congo Basin drawn in 1885, an economic-driven territorial limit to enforce neutrality and freedom of commerce.

作者： BannedFor1Year, 24.04.2019 at 09:12

I dont understand, Notre dame burned and there are alrd 82 posts in this thread.
Why noone talks about Sri Lanka Terror attacks? Its now in top 10 deadliest terror attacks in history, and it placed 10...

That was kinda my point really. Its ironic to see that the same people whom are verry opinionated on matters like these (western-world), are always dead silent on other events outside the western world. And quite frankly I mostly blame the media for that.

You don't see any millionaires/billionaires donating their money for the reconstructon of a country now, no dickmeasuring contest, no daily live-streams of ''the aftermath of Sri Lanka'' from media, its basically just a non fucks given, just the usual ''Support Sri Lanka'' charities, that 9 out of 10 times keep the donations for themselves. Same with the Mozambique floodings for instance, barely any efforts were made at all. Though when a church gets in flames, the whole ''world'' mourns.. and people donate over a billion euros.

作者： Augustus Caesar, 24.04.2019 at 21:46

作者： Froyer, 24.04.2019 at 07:29

Bro 1.000.000.000€ for a fucking church when some french die in the street we cant build a fucking hospital or schools this is why I hate french people
Liberté égalité fraternité none of them are actually respected in France.

If in doubt, revolution. that is the france we love

Everyone will copy us if we do a revolution D

I'v had the calculation for you

How many dollars France spends a year on:

General public service - 156,714,281,880.2$
Housing - 28,259,952,470.2 $
Hospitals and free healthcares - 2,080,960,136,44.2 $
Free schools and free universities for everyone - 138,730,675,762.8 $
Social Security - 616,580,781,168$

Additionally evil fasicst and matreialistic French people contribute 4B to charity and public aid every month.

Source - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/economy-finance/2019_dbp_fr_en.pdf

It's should be clear for everyone that France would be far richer nation if it was'snt that soclialist. According to EU's report 56% of its GDP goes to maintain public service. And It's even sadder that people see western life of labour as meaningful and correct only when its fruits are ment to substain unmetrialistic civilisations that denounce them. It's a slap in the fact of every working family that worked hard and paid taxes to pay for your education.

Also we did have a trhead for Sri Lanka terror attacks but it was deleted by mods in order to prevent toxic comments.

作者： Froyer, 24.04.2019 at 07:29

Bro 1.000.000.000€ for a fucking church when some french die in the street we cant build a fucking hospital or schools this is why I hate french people
Liberté égalité fraternité none of them are actually respected in France.

Yellow (Froyer) Vest!

There are some pretty disgusting comments in this thread claiming it's 'just a building'. It's one of the most symbolic buildings in the world that represents a deeply religious connection for an entire people. The disrespect some people have for their ancestors really sickens me. I highly doubt these same people would hold the same opinion had the building been a non-Christian symbol. This negative talk of French Empire is also riddled with hypocrisy. Why is French Empire so immoral and yet the thousands of other Empires are not? It's because France is White. That's it. French Empire has nothing to do with the Notre Dame burning and Notre Dame was built centuries before French Empire.