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发表从 Al Fappino, 01.02.2016 - 14:49

-Flag of the Kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves (Flag adopted between 1830 and 1910)

-Flag of the Portuguese Republic (official country name according to the constitution) adopted in 1910

On this day, 1/02/1998, King Charles I of Portugal, crowned in October 19 1889, was killed in Terreiro do Paço (which is the "headquarters" of most of the governmental buildings such as the Ministry of Finances) in Lisbon. when he was returning from the Palace of Vila Viçosa (palace of the Dukes of Bragança) along with the royal family.


King Charles I of Portugal, son of King Louis I and Queen Maria Pia, daughter of Victor Emmanuel II, as (first) cousins he had:
Frederick Augustus III of Saxony, Princess Maria Josepha of Saxony, Prince Wilhelm of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, Ferdinand I of Romania, Napoléon Victor Bonaparte, Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, Emanuele Filiberto, 2nd Duke of Aosta, Vittorio Emanuele, Count of Turin, Luigi Amedeo, Duke of the Abruzzi, and Umberto, Count of Salemi.



-A painting of King Charles, by A. Roque Gameiro (1902)


King Charles of Portugal was a very intelligent king, and had an intense education to rule as constitutional monarch and was sent to travel, as part of his education to England, France and Germany to increase his knowledge about modern civilization. He married Princess Amélia d'Órleans.

As King of Portugal, personally and from the point of view of a Portuguese, he wasn't a very good monarch, infact, Portugal never had the fortune of having brilliant monarchs, that made our country progress and protect our interests through force, if necessary.

In 1889, in the Berlin Conferece, hosted and arranged by Chancellor Bismarck of Germany, the european powers divided the African continent and Portugal, as an African colonial power attended the Conference, and presented the Pink Map (Mapa Cor-de-Rosa in Portuguese):




As you can see, Portugal's claims collided with the British ambition of uniting Cairo to Cairo, which subsequently caused the British to issue the 1890 Ultimatum, that basically says that either Portugal abandons the Pink Map claims or Britain will war.

The fact that we obeyed the Ultimatum caused some revolt and was seemed as unpopular because it was disadvantageous to our country and even led to some demand war on Britain.

The 1890 Ultimatum and the fact that Portugal had gone bankrupt in 1892 and 1902, that caused industrial disturbances, socialist and republican antagonism and press criticism of the monarchy led to the fact that the King, to promote 'stability', sponsored a 'dictatorship' of João Franco and dissolved the parliament.

All of this made the King unpopular and in on this day, February 1st of 1908 he was killed by 2 republicans members of the Carbonária, an anti-clerical, revolutionary, conspiratorial society and anti-monarchy that conspired several times against the monarchist regime.




A sign that marks the corner where the King and his Royal Prince, Luís Filipe were killed, it says:

Here, on February de 1st, 1908 El-rei (King) Carlos I of Portugal and Royal Prince Luís Filipe died for their country


Even though King Charles wasn't a brilliant monarch, his good diplomatic relations (he made numerous visits to Madrid, Paris and London) led to the fact King Afonso XIII of Spain, Edward VII of Great Britain Kaiser Wilhelm II and President Émile Loubet visited Lisbon.


Terreiro do Paço, where he was killed:





This was a sad day, a tragic day for the nation, and a day that changed Portugal's faith for eternity.


(Since Croatians do the same, I did the same too )
03.02.2016 - 15:51
作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 15:19

they even tried to invade Portugal several times

OMFG XDDD when did we actually try this????
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03.02.2016 - 16:12
作者: RaulPB, 03.02.2016 at 15:51

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 15:19

they even tried to invade Portugal several times

OMFG XDDD when did we actually try this????




1383-1385, during the succession crisis after the death of Fernando I of Portugal, Castille was crushed in Aljubarrota
Then in 1580 when you invaded us because Felipe II wanted to claim his right to the crown of Portugal, defeating Prior António and 'forcing' him to exile himself to Azores
In the Spanish Succession War, in beginning of the 18th century, Portugal entered a coalition against Spain, which lead to the only time a portuguese army occupied Madrid (1709 I think?)
Then in today's Uruguay, skirmishes around Colony of Sacramento (near today's Montevideo)
Then in the War of the Oranges;
Again in the Peninsular War you invaded Portugal 3 times along with Napoleonic France, (1st invasion led by Junot, 2nd by Soult, 3rd by Massena) and the treaty of Fontainebleau that divided Portugal in 3 parts.
Franco incase Germany and Italy pressured him to do so, he would annex Portugal.
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03.02.2016 - 16:14
作者: RaulPB, 03.02.2016 at 15:48

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 15:21

Because annexation of Portugal would imply tough resistance by the Portuguese people and a war against the British, and because it wouldn't interest them to actually annex us if a colonial competitor, because we would be a pain in the ass.

Not to mention all the pain in the ass we had coming from England, Netherlands, France, Italy, etc. Why would we even be interested in Portugal? It had no special richness compared to what America had. There were no resources, no interest and no benefit from doing that.



Exactly,(France was always Spain's historic ally through most of its history) we don't have that many resources, you'd only benefit from annexing us in a way: you'd have full control over Iberia, a bigger landmass and the 'gateways' to the Atlantic Ocean.
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03.02.2016 - 16:16
作者: RaulPB, 02.02.2016 at 11:43

作者: Helly, 02.02.2016 at 11:02

Idk, similar cultures, much smaller population (smaller army) Colonial competitor. Originally same royalty.(brothers) in a time when you could conquer entire peoples with little intervention.

Why wasting time in defeating such a waste of land when we could simply be allies and collaborate? They became independent back in the Reconquest and didn't bother any of the other kingdoms. Castille and Aragon united but there was no need to waste more forces to kill Portugal. Then the race for America came and we split the territory with Portugal in a way that we wouldn't fight in between while other countries could take advantage. Then we united with Felipe II (heir to Portugal's throne) but afterwards they rose up against us and became independent again.... why keeping a land that would only bring problems? Afterwards, Spain simply kept declining until a point in which internal fights and misery coulnd't afford a war such as conquering Portugal.



My great great grandmother's 1st husband, António Sardinha was the founder and leader of the Lusitanian Integralism, that defended a monarchist Iberian Union, just saying
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03.02.2016 - 17:06
作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:14

Exactly,(France was always Spain's historic ally through most of its history) we don't have that many resources, you'd only benefit from annexing us in a way: you'd have full control over Iberia, a bigger landmass and the 'gateways' to the Atlantic Ocean.

So many mistakes here:
- France was our mortal enemy throughout the entire history!!
- We didn't care about iberian control, that's why we didn't ever try to conquer you.
- We already had the gateways to the Atlantic Ocean XDDD Seville and south Andalucia and the north of Spain.
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03.02.2016 - 17:15
作者: RaulPB, 03.02.2016 at 17:06

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:14

Exactly,(France was always Spain's historic ally through most of its history) we don't have that many resources, you'd only benefit from annexing us in a way: you'd have full control over Iberia, a bigger landmass and the 'gateways' to the Atlantic Ocean.

So many mistakes here:
- France was our mortal enemy throughout the entire history!!
- We didn't care about iberian control, that's why we didn't ever try to conquer you.
- We already had the gateways to the Atlantic Ocean XDDD Seville and south Andalucia and the north of Spain.


"Family Pact" and Napoleonic France 'allied' spain, thus posing a threa to portugal.
Spain tried for several times during its history (Castille) to invade and submit Portugal to the crown, that's why Portugal in the middle ages allied Aragon.
Seville and Andalucia and Northern Spain aren't much of an effective territory to ensure gateway to the atlantic ocean. with Portugal you'd have Lisbon and Porto, two big cities facing the atlantic, with those under your strong command, being a naval power as superior as britain wouldnt be a problem
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03.02.2016 - 17:51
作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

1383-1385, during the succession crisis after the death of Fernando I of Portugal, Castille was crushed in Aljubarrota

Do you know the real history behind this? I doubt it.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

Then in 1580 when you invaded us because Felipe II wanted to claim his right to the crown of Portugal, defeating Prior António and 'forcing' him to exile himself to Azores

It wasn't an invasion, it was a fight between the natural heir (Felipe) and another person who claimed the crown natural from Portugal.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

In the Spanish Succession War, in beginning of the 18th century, Portugal entered a coalition against Spain, which lead to the only time a portuguese army occupied Madrid (1709 I think?)

That was only to help a faction of the heirs. Though I'm not sure how did that go.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

Then in today's Uruguay, skirmishes around Colony of Sacramento (near today's Montevideo)

That doesnt even count as fights. Even less as a try to conquer.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

Then in the War of the Oranges; Again in the Peninsular War you invaded Portugal 3 times along with Napoleonic France, (1st invasion led by Junot, 2nd by Soult, 3rd by Massena) and the treaty of Fontainebleau that divided Portugal in 3 parts.

That was part of a treaty with France against England. We simply invaded, walked along and didn't do anything else. We didn't even stay there for a month.... that's not a real invasion at all!

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 16:12

Franco incase Germany and Italy pressured him to do so, he would annex Portugal.

Are we gonna talk about facts or your imagination?
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03.02.2016 - 17:54
作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 17:15

"Family Pact" and Napoleonic France 'allied' spain, thus posing a threa to portugal.

Come on.... read a bit more. That only lasted a couple years. And it was at the very end of history.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 17:15

Spain tried for several times during its history (Castille) to invade and submit Portugal to the crown, that's why Portugal in the middle ages allied Aragon.

Castille is a very different story from Spain. Spain is not castille, castille is not spain. Get it? Anyway, they both fought cause of throne competition. Not for an actual invasion.

作者: Al Fappino, 03.02.2016 at 17:15

Seville and Andalucia and Northern Spain aren't much of an effective territory to ensure gateway to the atlantic ocean. with Portugal you'd have Lisbon and Porto, two big cities facing the atlantic, with those under your strong command, being a naval power as superior as britain wouldnt be a problem

Fuck read a bit more about Seville's port shall you?? Then come back to me and compare Lisbon's comerce with what was going in Seville.
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