"Unfair" battle outcomes
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Time and time again I hear people complaining about unfair battle outcomes. "Surely my superior force should've defeated that puny army?", they say. Well, in most case, sure, but there are exceptions, and they are absolutely necessary.
First of all, if you're interested in battle mechanics, I can recommend you to put the slowest battle speed in your settings - this will show the actual rolls (damage) and help you understand the mechanics. Also, here's a FAQ battles entry. Basically, every unit normally has 7 HP (hit points) and a certain range of attack and defense rolls (depending on the situation). That range is always 1 to max attack/defense (which you can see on the units page / units menu in the game).
Now, if you're extremely unlucky, your unit will roll 1 several times in a row, only dealing 1 damage each time. It would take 8 hits just to take one enemy unit down. Every time you attack, an enemy unit fires back (using their defense stats). So, every time you will also be taking damage. Again, in an extreme situation, enemy can take down one unit per shot.
Things like that happen, and the randomness and unpredictability factor that they bring is extremely important to keep the gameplay exciting and being closer to the real world, where as you know, pure numbers don't always win and unpredictable outcomes happen all the time.
First of all, if you're interested in battle mechanics, I can recommend you to put the slowest battle speed in your settings - this will show the actual rolls (damage) and help you understand the mechanics. Also, here's a FAQ battles entry. Basically, every unit normally has 7 HP (hit points) and a certain range of attack and defense rolls (depending on the situation). That range is always 1 to max attack/defense (which you can see on the units page / units menu in the game).
Now, if you're extremely unlucky, your unit will roll 1 several times in a row, only dealing 1 damage each time. It would take 8 hits just to take one enemy unit down. Every time you attack, an enemy unit fires back (using their defense stats). So, every time you will also be taking damage. Again, in an extreme situation, enemy can take down one unit per shot.
Things like that happen, and the randomness and unpredictability factor that they bring is extremely important to keep the gameplay exciting and being closer to the real world, where as you know, pure numbers don't always win and unpredictable outcomes happen all the time.
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
so you tell me that its normal, that 39 attack cant beat 24 def?
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Yes, specially when you didn't took into account the
You can have 15 difference in att/def, but he also have 3 more troops than you. Depending on how this mechanic work you can be benefited or the neutrals. If your tests result in 50% then I assume neutrals got benefit. It would'be useful if you put the speed in 'very slow' (as Ivan said) so we can see the rolls there.
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Stryko 账户已删除 |
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You're not beating def, you're beating HP
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
tell me why a group of 8 attack a 7 hp should be weaker than 4 def a 14 hp?
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Idk man.. same as 15 pd infs cant beat 8 neutral infs. Cuzz thats so logical for you.
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
15 pd inf have 60 attack and 8 inf have 54 def, so its easy possible that they would fail.
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*48 def. Difference between mine and yours fight in attack/def is 3. Difference in hp? well, i had 15 units vs 8. You have 5 units vs 8.
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
so neutral infs havnt the +1 city bonus?
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What? 8 militia = 56 HP
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
yes but still 4 def
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3 against helis, but still, you attacked with too few units. If you add one more heli you can probably beat 8 militia 90% of the time
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
i had 5 attack units, how many should i send? 12?!? Bargain lost with 6 marines against 6 neutral militia The current battle system is broken and should be change!
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no, neutrals are neutrals. They are just a units. No bonuses to them.
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
so you agree with me that the current range of luck is too much ?!?
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Tigro 账户已删除 |
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no, i really like when i fail something that looks like free paris in cw and lose west cuzz of that. Ofc i do, i feel like most of the times rolls are... well, ok. Luck goes on both sides, but sometimes shit happens. And by shit i mean shit that shouldnt happend. At all. Ever. Add 1 unit tbs, small bugs and you aint gonna sleep peacifully at nights.
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The game became like 2 players throw a dice, higher number wins. 70% of games today are won by pure luck, usually not involving any skill
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Deleted User 55776 账户已删除 |
i agree with you and hope that they will decrease the random "luck"
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I have a question. Let's say 2 tanks(each 5 hp) and 1 inf(8 hp) atack 1 inf(8hp). Tank deals 8 damage(atacking), infantry deals 7 damage(defending). Inf and tank dies and then who takes 2 damage? Another tank or inf ?
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Stryko 账户已删除 |
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same
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