Clarification on the rules/etiquette of Competitive play.

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 11:36

Opinions on rewalling aside,

As Desu explained to me and posted above, having one big layer of walls with no 3 man cap wall technically means your cap wall is the big wall because nothing is preventing you from getting the capital but it. Now making a wall inside of the big wall preventing someone from taking your capital the next turn while the other breaks the big wall with the intention of at least having the possibility to attack your capital next turn, but this is prevented by the fresh 3 man wall. So technically you've rewalled your cap and it will be considered as rewalling. Which is why adding the 3 man wall t1 makes the big wall simply considered as another layer of walling, not your cap wall. Besides, you had enough space to make the 3 man wall without it touching the inner border of the big wall. If someone did big wall + no cap wall to me I wouldn't give a shit because its practically the same, but this is a matter of as the title states of '' rules/etiquette of Competitive play. ''

pretty empty argument, if you ask me.The argument is about a hostile unit,inside first and foremost, of your home country and then, on the border of said country.
You claim in the beggining of your post, that "re-walling aside", yet you based your whole argument on the fact that the big circle wall in reality is a rewalling.

To the rest of the people i will just kindly ask to look at the whole picture and be realists.You cant have everything.If you agree to units wallfucking on borders, prepare for un-wallable hamburg.My uk will like this.

作者： Goblin, 07.10.2014 at 11:20

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 11:13

i never said that, or even implied that, youre as bad as waffel. you completely just ignored the content of my previous post to attack me and my clanmembers. well Bravo to you too.

Dont bullshit me ...how many times have you guys downgraded my expirience ingame about rewalling and the game itself, posting argumments about it ...to a "its your pathetic opinion goblin and we dont give a fuck about it cuz we smart"

Not even having this discussion again ...do what you want.

I feel with ya bro, those illyrians are fking biased when it comes to ''bugs or rewalling crap'' when 1 of them is doing wrong, all of illyria gangs on you telling it wasn't wrong and it was just blablablabla. This clan is like a cancer which never stops growing, when they are done with rewall, they come with these shit serbians walls, when its not serbian wall they come with this big inner second turn wall.... srsly stop ruining the game for everybody with your selfish way of playing. All you fking people care about is having top 1 clan and acting like you guys rule the world -.-, Only acq is the person who isnt that biased like the others... shame on you man lao.. all you do is complaining when you don't like it. Go make your own game

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 11:36

Opinions on rewalling aside,

As Desu explained to me and posted above, having one big layer of walls with no 3 man cap wall technically means your cap wall is the big wall because nothing is preventing you from getting the capital but it. Now making a wall inside of the big wall preventing someone from taking your capital the next turn while the other breaks the big wall with the intention of at least having the possibility to attack your capital next turn, but this is prevented by the fresh 3 man wall. So technically you've rewalled your cap and it will be considered as rewalling. Which is why adding the 3 man wall t1 makes the big wall simply considered as another layer of walling, not your cap wall. Besides, you had enough space to make the 3 man wall without it touching the inner border of the big wall. If someone did big wall + no cap wall to me I wouldn't give a shit because its practically the same, but this is a matter of as the title states of '' rules/etiquette of Competitive play. ''

im not sure i understand what you mean, are you saying that if i had made the inner wall turn 1 that then i would have a more legitimate complaint for him having ignoring the existence of the outer wall layer?

作者： Mr_Own_U, 07.10.2014 at 11:52

Lao only has 1 problem. He can never ever be wrong. In his mind there isn't even a single fraction of a percent that he is ever wrong about anything. Desu, Goblin (Very respectable people) Say that w4rs unit shouldn't have been over France as much as is should've, However they both agree on that circle wall is BS. And should be done each cw to block the unfair advantage. But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)

i dont care what you think about me. What i do care about, is my integrity and that of others. You and w4r have demonstrated that you have none, and for what, to save face? I dont care what the other illyrians do, but count me out of cws vs you in the future, relations between evol and illyria have always been strained but i never had you guys down as liars. Between this and previous drama i just no longer have any interest in cws vs you guys. Its not worth the hassle. Dont even ask me.

作者： Mr_Own_U, 07.10.2014 at 11:52

Lao only has 1 problem. He can never ever be wrong. In his mind there isn't even a single fraction of a percent that he is ever wrong about anything. Desu, Goblin (Very respectable people) Say that w4rs unit shouldn't have been over France as much as is should've, However they both agree on that circle wall is BS. And should be done each cw to block the unfair advantage. But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)

First time I agree with you <3

作者： Khal.eesi, 07.10.2014 at 11:59

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 11:36

Opinions on rewalling aside,

As Desu explained to me and posted above, having one big layer of walls with no 3 man cap wall technically means your cap wall is the big wall because nothing is preventing you from getting the capital but it. Now making a wall inside of the big wall preventing someone from taking your capital the next turn while the other breaks the big wall with the intention of at least having the possibility to attack your capital next turn, but this is prevented by the fresh 3 man wall. So technically you've rewalled your cap and it will be considered as rewalling. Which is why adding the 3 man wall t1 makes the big wall simply considered as another layer of walling, not your cap wall. Besides, you had enough space to make the 3 man wall without it touching the inner border of the big wall. If someone did big wall + no cap wall to me I wouldn't give a shit because its practically the same, but this is a matter of as the title states of '' rules/etiquette of Competitive play. ''

pretty empty argument, if you ask me.The argument is about a hostile unit,inside first and foremost, of your home country and then, on the border of said country.
You claim in the beggining of your post, that "re-walling aside", yet you based your whole argument on the fact that the big circle wall in reality is a rewalling.

To the rest of the people i will just kindly ask to look at the whole picture and be realists.You cant have everything.If you agree to units wallfucking on borders, prepare for un-wallable hamburg.My uk will like this.

You understood everything I posted wrong. First I was not arguing the unit inside enemy territory, in that aspect I think the wall should be counted as its there. I was arguing whether or not big wall with no cap wall is legit ( as much as rewall is). When I said ''opinions on rewall aside'', I meant opinions on whether or not its legit.

EDIT: I wasnt clear enough in the first post, I was just saying its considered a rewall without a cap wall. Apparently I forgot to post what my argument lead to lol. By having one layer of big wall its considered your cap wall. He wf'd your cap wall by accident and didnt attack just like 3 man wall circumstances, but if you had cap wall, it woudve been considered an extra layer of wall and he woudnt break cap wall.

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 12:06

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 11:36

Opinions on rewalling aside,

As Desu explained to me and posted above, having one big layer of walls with no 3 man cap wall technically means your cap wall is the big wall because nothing is preventing you from getting the capital but it. Now making a wall inside of the big wall preventing someone from taking your capital the next turn while the other breaks the big wall with the intention of at least having the possibility to attack your capital next turn, but this is prevented by the fresh 3 man wall. So technically you've rewalled your cap and it will be considered as rewalling. Which is why adding the 3 man wall t1 makes the big wall simply considered as another layer of walling, not your cap wall. Besides, you had enough space to make the 3 man wall without it touching the inner border of the big wall. If someone did big wall + no cap wall to me I wouldn't give a shit because its practically the same, but this is a matter of as the title states of '' rules/etiquette of Competitive play. ''

im not sure i understand what you mean, are you saying that if i had made the inner wall turn 1 that then i would have a more legitimate complaint for him having ignoring the existence of the outer wall layer?

作者： Mr_Own_U, 07.10.2014 at 11:52

Lao only has 1 problem. He can never ever be wrong. In his mind there isn't even a single fraction of a percent that he is ever wrong about anything. Desu, Goblin (Very respectable people) Say that w4rs unit shouldn't have been over France as much as is should've, However they both agree on that circle wall is BS. And should be done each cw to block the unfair advantage. But again, opinions! (Not bashing you lao, just dropping a post in)

i dont care what you think about me. What i do care about, is my integrity and that of others. You and w4r have demonstrated that you have none, and for what, to save face? I dont care what the other illyrians do, but count me out of cws vs you in the future, relations between evol and illyria have always been strained but i never had you guys down as liars. Between this and previous drama i just no longer have any interest in cws vs you guys. Its not worth the hassle. Dont even ask me.

So yes I dont see the point of discussing about somenthing that wont charge.

The double wall can be breaked by zoom bugs. At least for now, the 7 units wall is not effective anymore.

Although I guess the double wall would still be respected by players that have honor....

EDIT: this wall is 9 units + 3 inside units. I cannot zoom bug on it... this seems like the correct form of Double Wall:



It can Still be broken by Superimposing units. Thanks to god, game make superimpose hard.

作者： Khal.eesi, 07.10.2014 at 07:10

You started this without me :/
well here is the SS



#Bonkers also respects this rule, i dont know why he says those things now.He cried the other day, when Kratore accidentally wf'ed his hamburg with a trans.I could say then Bonker, that since Krats trans was in sea and not on German land, its ok then, right?right?
So bottom line, if Evol wants to play like this, i can legit wf all ports next cw..im gonna be technically on water and not on your land.how bout that?
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The difference was that Kratore then proceeded to attack the city That was what I was pissed off about, not that he had inadvertently wfed the city. if he had just done what War did and just keep hamburg wf I wouldn't have had an issue.

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 12:09

You understood everything I posted wrong. First I was not arguing the unit inside enemy territory, in that aspect I think the wall should be counted as its there. I was arguing whether or not big wall with no cap wall is legit ( as much as rewall is). When I said ''opinions on rewall aside'', I meant opinions on whether or not its legit.

do you understand why i did that? the purpose of this wall is so i wouldnt have to defend until turn 4, breathing room which i feel is helpful vs a uk player as france.

i made the big wall and left 3 reins in my cap for the inner wall turn 2 rather than turn 1. i didnt make the inner wall turn 1 because given the space available it would link with the outer wall. If i made the outerwall layer close enough so that it didnt link with the inner wall like shown



it could still be opened in 1 turn as me and clovis tested.

作者： Mr_Own_U, 07.10.2014 at 12:10

you know its not so much you im dissappointed by, i've come to consider you a person of poor character, given the situation with acqui as an example. I had previously excused your actions because of perceived youth, but apparently you dont have that excuse. but w4r... i respected him, i wouldve even argued on his behalf to return to illyria if he had been interested. But this is what it is. I didnt expect you to care. Enjoy your day.

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作者： Mr_Own_U, 07.10.2014 at 12:10

you know its not so much you im dissappointed by, i've come to consider you a person of poor character, given the situation with acqui as an example. I had previously excused your actions because of perceived youth, but apparently you dont have that excuse. but w4r... i respected him, i wouldve even argued on his behalf to return to illyria if he had been interested. But this is what it is. I didnt expect you to care. Enjoy your day.

That was your problem, as you brought it among yourself to say, "No more CWs with evoL" You think I care? You will only be hurting yourself by doing it, so their for I ultimately don't care... And as for my shit character personality? I was nothing but nice to you in the forum topic, everyone saw it. Everyone saw I didn't bash you once, and was even opened to even being wrong. Like I said we all have our opinions. I even stated to you I wasn't trying to bash you. Also in the beginning of the topic you can read back and see that I was open for anything..

Maybe you need to re-adjust your outlook on me. Cause these posts don't lie. And all they show is me being open and nice to you, until you threatened not to CW.

All of the above would have wfed your big wall, with the exception of the top left image, I see no reason why your opponent should the 'pretend' like your wall is there. As I said before you ran the risk of it being broken as Desu has said, this is user choice and is avoidable.

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 12:26

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 12:09

You understood everything I posted wrong. First I was not arguing the unit inside enemy territory, in that aspect I think the wall should be counted as its there. I was arguing whether or not big wall with no cap wall is legit ( as much as rewall is). When I said ''opinions on rewall aside'', I meant opinions on whether or not its legit.

do you understand why i did that? the purpose of this wall is so i wouldnt have to defend until turn 4, breathing room which i feel is helpful vs a uk player as france.

i made the big wall and left 3 reins in my cap for the inner wall turn 2 rather than turn 1. i didnt make the inner wall turn 1 because given the space available it would link with the outer wall. If i made the outerwall layer close enough so that it didnt link with the inner wall like shown



it could still be opened in 1 turn as me and clovis tested.

I know, but you didn't build the foundations of this to the opposing players by making a cap wall.

作者： The Tactician, 07.10.2014 at 11:36

EDIT: I wasnt clear enough in the first post, I was just saying its considered a rewall without a cap wall. Apparently I forgot to post what my argument lead to lol. By having one layer of big wall its considered your cap wall. He wf'd your cap wall by accident and didnt attack just like 3 man wall circumstances, but if you had cap wall, it woudve been considered an extra layer of wall and he woudnt break cap wall.

As ^ shows, he wf'd your cap wall because there wasnt another layer of wall. If there was, he woudve been wfing the the double layer. In the ss in the OP you also did have space to stick the wall right above your cap and right under without it touching the outer wall.

Happend to me 2 still they said dont cry get over it. couse the .... wf mine double berlin wall by spamming units around czech.

Guys, Avoid insults. Why you can't discuss this on a civilizated way lol.

作者： clovis1122, 07.10.2014 at 12:46

Guys, Avoid insults. Why you can't discuss this on a civilizated way lol.

Mod qualifies are already over, lose the act.

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I actually feel sad for laochra.... everybody is attacking him D:
But its just the way how you braught it up

Lao is a cool guy when you get to know him!

No one is attacking laochra waffel.SM just cry some about rewall, like always, nothing strange here. Even if they also use questionable or even same tactics.Like bonker rewalling all the time.Or silverdrake capping a disconected Spart turn 2 in CW.Or ally rewall.Goblin by the way thinks ally rewall is legit but self rewall is cheap.Nuclear physicist logic we have here.Oh and also the no acceptance of the no turk-ukr combo.But no, they hate re-wall.Just hate.To each their own then.
By the way Bonkers.You wall hamburg to prevent a unit from attacking hamburg.You circle wall to prevent a unit attacking your cap wall.Therefore since Kratore didnt attack your hamburg, then its only fair that War didnt wallfucked paris.Is it clear now?

I think most people and most clans, should take lessons from MK.They are unarguably the best clan around here, skillwise and activity-wise and we never, never,ever had any problems when cwing against them.MK dont cry about rewall.MK dont pick Tukr-Ukr combo.Mk will never take advantage of your disconections or try to exploit the breaking of a walls of yours, or use any other cheap way just to win a game.And thats a clan, im happy to loose to , any day.





P.S.
Oh and before i forgot, is it clear to everybody that Mou and War, were caught lying?Here

作者： Mr_Own_U, 06.10.2014 at 23:24

Unit was in Belgium.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 06.10.2014 at 23:44

A WF was on Belgium, interrupted your wall because it came too close, and now you are crying foul on forums. Its just un-called for.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 06.10.2014 at 23:52

I'm just stating that your witnesses are those who were either playing the cw, or illyrian spectators, which creates bias.

" if you deny this you are simply a liar. " This just makes me laugh.
I would like a bit of proof before you start making statements like this.
It's very easy to get on forums, take a SS from a private match and say "This happened".
Just stop. this is all conjecture at best.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 00:04

You are the one posting a thread on this whole subject. claiming something has happened with no proof?
Can I call your honesty into question MR. LAOCHRA?

So much shittalking.Can we call your honesty into question Mr War?Nah we dont have to, you prooved yourself to be a little snake, trashtalking, liar, in front of everybody.And whats sad, is that you did it against Lao, who was a great supporter of you, really.Even when i was saying you are an evol spy (which i know you are, either that or you have split personality disorder) Lao always said the best about you.Its really a shame and you should be ashamed.As for MOU, i would have never thought, that the will to protect a clanmember, would drive him to publicly lie about something like this and bring such shame to him and his clan.
Oh and a thanks to Desu, for his opinion on this.That would be all.

作者： Khal.eesi, 07.10.2014 at 20:09

Number 1, don't talk down to me, for someone who has only played the game for a year and a half you really are an arrogant and pedantic person (doesn't feel nice belittling younger players does it mate?)

Number 2, Everything you just posted is nothing more than you trying to antagonize players, you have not contributed to the discussion at hand, rather just taken it as a personal insult on your friend/clanmate, it is not an attack when somebody or a group of people have a different viewpoint on a situation.

Number 3. No you missed my point Kratore DID attack hamburg, as I said there is a difference between keeping the wf open from something you inadvertently wfed and taking a city.

Number 4. I still can't quote properly, pls teach.

作者： b0nker2, 07.10.2014 at 20:51

作者： Khal.eesi, 07.10.2014 at 20:09

Number 1, don't talk down to me, for someone who has only played the game for a year and a half you really are an arrogant and pedantic person (doesn't feel nice belittling younger players does it mate?)

Number 2, Everything you just posted is nothing more than you trying to antagonize players, you have not contributed to the discussion at hand, rather just taken it as a personal insult on your friend/clanmate, it is not an attack when somebody or a group of people have a different viewpoint on a situation.

Number 3. No you missed my point Kratore DID attack hamburg, as I said there is a difference between keeping the wf open from something you inadvertently wfed and taking a city.

Number 4. I still can't quote properly, pls teach.

1.I didnt belittle anyone.I was making a point, based on my experience.Whether you like it or not, I have the experience, no matter when i joined.When i started out we respected our elders, you included.We respected them and their rules.New kids cant come in and shit on everyone and their rules.Doesnt feel right to me.

2.I really have no intention to insult you.I like you.But if you are serious about this, you lack basic comprehension skills, even waffel has.If anything, you guys barged in here and shited all over the thread, just because you hate rewall.I provided the SS.I provided my arguments.And i backed up every accusation i made with solid facts.You saying that i am agressive, or arrogant (which i accept) doesnt change the facts and doesnt change my contribution, either.

3.Says who?I thought we should judge this, from the point of the objectives at hand.One objective is to prevent attacking a city.The other objective is to attack units in cap wall.Just because you think taking a port is more importand than having your cap open, doesnt make it so.In my mind, both objectives are denied, so its basically the same thing.

作者： Khal.eesi, 07.10.2014 at 20:09

No one is attacking laochra waffel.SM just cry some about rewall, like always, nothing strange here. Even if they also use questionable or even same tactics.Like bonker rewalling all the time.Or silverdrake capping a disconected Spart turn 2 in CW.Or ally rewall.Goblin by the way thinks ally rewall is legit but self rewall is cheap.Nuclear physicist logic we have here.Oh and also the no acceptance of the no turk-ukr combo.But no, they hate re-wall.Just hate.To each their own then.
By the way Bonkers.You wall hamburg to prevent a unit from attacking hamburg.You circle wall to prevent a unit attacking your cap wall.Therefore since Kratore didnt attack your hamburg, then its only fair that War didnt wallfucked paris.Is it clear now?

I think most people and most clans, should take lessons from MK.They are unarguably the best clan around here, skillwise and activity-wise and we never, never,ever had any problems when cwing against them.MK dont cry about rewall.MK dont pick Tukr-Ukr combo.Mk will never take advantage of your disconections or try to exploit the breaking of a walls of yours, or use any other cheap way just to win a game.And thats a clan, im happy to loose to , any day.





P.S.
Oh and before i forgot, is it clear to everybody that Mou and War, were caught lying?Here

作者： Mr_Own_U, 06.10.2014 at 23:24

Unit was in Belgium.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 06.10.2014 at 23:44

A WF was on Belgium, interrupted your wall because it came too close, and now you are crying foul on forums. Its just un-called for.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 06.10.2014 at 23:52

I'm just stating that your witnesses are those who were either playing the cw, or illyrian spectators, which creates bias.

" if you deny this you are simply a liar. " This just makes me laugh.
I would like a bit of proof before you start making statements like this.
It's very easy to get on forums, take a SS from a private match and say "This happened".
Just stop. this is all conjecture at best.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 00:04

You are the one posting a thread on this whole subject. claiming something has happened with no proof?
Can I call your honesty into question MR. LAOCHRA?

So much shittalking.Can we call your honesty into question Mr War?Nah we dont have to, you prooved yourself to be a little snake, trashtalking, liar, in front of everybody.And whats sad, is that you did it against Lao, who was a great supporter of you, really.Even when i was saying you are an evol spy (which i know you are, either that or you have split personality disorder) Lao always said the best about you.Its really a shame and you should be ashamed.As for MOU, i would have never thought, that the will to protect a clanmember, would drive him to publicly lie about something like this and bring such shame to him and his clan.
Oh and a thanks to Desu, for his opinion on this.That would be all.

The zoom feature really is something isnt it?
I still stick to what I have been posting. The unit was in belgium, near the border. Atwar's units are shown on the map by circles. Although this is true, units follow a selected path of your choosing. This is marked by a white striped line. Where the line ends up is where the unit is exactly positioned. Not by the one half of the unit sticking across the border.
So if I may, I will ad my own screenshots from a private match to show you.





Aside; I like how your unit/city sizes are twice the size of mine? Is this image altered? or are you using some sort of software for atwar.
Please make sure you note this, so we can validate this screenshot.

And I'd also like to add, that lao's unit was very close to my unit. I know units can bump other units. maybe someone could add on

Adding on to my previous post. Since you do not have any concrete evidence of my units exact positioning, and you are using some sort of software, you have no justification to be going around and calling someone a liar.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 21:49

you do not have any concrete evidence of my units exact positioning

What in your mind would be "concrete" evidence? Is there anything Khal could realistically have that is more reliable than a screenshot? You're asking him to produce something that is unproducable and you are casting doubt on his integrity by suggesting he might have photoshopped the image. Let me just make this absolutely clear. Your unit was in France. I saw it turn 2 when I scrolled over and said in gamechat "yep that's in France". I see it now in the completely legit SS produced by the wonderful Khaleesi. Now do I think we should crucify you for that? No, it was probably accidental and not worth a big fuss.

As for the rest of this thread.

作者： Acquiesce, 07.10.2014 at 22:08

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 21:49

you do not have any concrete evidence of my units exact positioning

What in your mind would be "concrete" evidence? Is there anything Khal could realistically have that is more reliable than a screenshot? You're asking him to produce something that is unproducable and you are casting doubt on his integrity by suggesting he might have photoshopped the image. Let me just make this absolutely clear. Your unit was in France. I saw it turn 2 when I scrolled over and said in gamechat "yep that's in France". I see it now in the completely legit SS produced by the wonderful Khaleesi. Now do I think we should crucify you for that? No, it was probably accidental and not worth a big fuss.

As for the rest of this thread.

Photoshop? Its quite clear he is not using the nilla version of atwar. Unless there are settings you can change that im not aware of. You can tell by the unit/city sizes, and his chat box. That is my first point that makes this unreliable.
Point 2, referring to my first post. All I see is a unit directly on the border of belgium. A units exact position isnt defined by the actual circle, but rather the predetermined line to its destination. If that makes sense.
Neither of us have this screenshot of the actual path that unit followed, so no one has the right to say that the unit is in France.
But by using logic, you can guesstimate that line the unit followed. It would be directly in the center of that unit.

As I said, this is all conjecture.

Khal number 1 was in response to what you wrote to W4r earlier (which has mysteriously disappeared)

I will agree with Desu that it being a singular wall means that it is in fact your cap wall and therefore a rush of the capitol will be inappropriate. What I don't agree with is that he is not in his right to then WF Paris, in assumption that the wall should have been there. The same was for the Kratore situation, he would have been fine to wf hamburg but taking it was inappropriate in my eyes, even he said after that he thought that I had not walled correctly and would not have attacked otherwise. Also to add to that I assumed he wouldnt so left 5 reinf in hamburg, a massive game changer.

The SS's I posted, (walling belguim, lux, wfing belguim at the g) would have all have resulted in the same situation, I do not honestly think then that W4r would not be in his right to keep a wf at Paris, as I have said Lao ran the risk of what is his cap wall being broken turn1 by having it so far out. The only sticking point to the argument is that the unit in question is on French soil, if it wasn't then there really could not be anything to complain about in my eyes.

Also really it isn't a 100% tactic anyway, Chill tried it as Turkey it wasn't broken anywhere, I just hit every part of the wall and left some random wf units around and his attempt at a new inner wall did not work (a potential counter for those reading)

作者： Waffel, 07.10.2014 at 15:48

作者： clovis1122, 07.10.2014 at 12:46

Guys, Avoid insults. Why you can't discuss this on a civilizated way lol.

Mod qualifies are already over, lose the act.

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I actually feel sad for laochra.... everybody is attacking him D:
But its just the way how you braught it up

Lao is a cool guy when you get to know him!

w4r mou and yourself are the only people who directly attacked me, goblin is as agressive as ever in his opinions. Everyone else merely presented their opinion and why.

i really just dont get the issues some of you have with walls, its merely one strategic play within the arsenal a person possesses, to some countries it is beneficial, to others it makes no difference, and in some it will hurt you.

I'm not surprised at your stance on it at all goblin, but i dislike how you come to threads and games to constantly trash people who dont play the way you prefer. You play 2 mins to deliberately minimise the time for walling, but you should not expect others to feel the same way you do.

I play 4 mins all the time in duels, worldgames and teamgames and encounter all sorts of walling, its no more fair or unfair than picking a better country/strat combo than your opponent. Theres not a single country in europe+ that im aware of that becomes distinctly advantaged over all other countries by double walling its' cap turn 1.

All i've learned from this thread is that we all seem to have our own opinions and expectations on whats acceptable or not. Since theres no official clarification outside of "no turn 1 wfs and enemy territory invasion", we simply have to carry on and accept, rewalling big circle walling, palace walling and everything else as part of the aw package.

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 23:41

All i've learned from this thread is that we all seem to have our own opinions and expectations on whats acceptable or not. Since theres no official clarification outside of "no turn 1 wfs and enemy territory invasion", we simply have to carry on and accept, rewalling big circle walling, palace walling and everything else as part of the aw package.

Or we could deny allowing everything. We'll hold our opinions about wallglitching or "rewalling". It doesn't need to be a part of the, "aw package," either. We can agree to disagree here I suppose, I'd rather not us railing against eachother like you and Goblin (+others) have been.

Anyway, your capital wall was wallfucked in that game by a unit placed on French land, and even though W4r was in the wrong in placing the unit on your land, he did not hit your capital which is pretty nice of him. He placed a wallfuck the next turn so you couldn't remake your capital wall. That's all that happened. It wouldn't be your capital wall if you had made a 3 man wall around your capital, that'd turn the outside wall into the object W4r needed to wallfuck. At that point I'd be against him hitting your capital wall, as the previous wall should have been there preventing that. But all he did was wallfuck your capital wall, like one would normally do if your wall bugged out and accidentally did not work.

Reminder of the topic title:

作者： Desu, 07.10.2014 at 03:32

To address the topic title, it's obvious you should never place units inside another player's territory on the first turn. It is also obvious you should never wallfuck an enemy capital or city on the first turn.

And of course you shouldn't be hitting someone's capital city in case his wall bugged out on the first turn. Same with their other cities, you shouldn't be hitting Hamburg if Germany clearly has it walled and the wall failed to connect on the first turn.

My post should bring a clearer view to all who read this. Please refer to my earlier post on page 2 to see more of my explanation, which some here have chosen not to address and instead have chosen weaker arguments to target.

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 23:41

作者： Waffel, 07.10.2014 at 15:48

作者： clovis1122, 07.10.2014 at 12:46

Guys, Avoid insults. Why you can't discuss this on a civilizated way lol.

Mod qualifies are already over, lose the act.

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I actually feel sad for laochra.... everybody is attacking him D:
But its just the way how you braught it up

Lao is a cool guy when you get to know him!

w4r mou and yourself are the only people who directly attacked me, goblin is as agressive as ever in his opinions. Everyone else merely presented their opinion and why.

i really just dont get the issues some of you have with walls, its merely one strategic play within the arsenal a person possesses, to some countries it is beneficial, to others it makes no difference, and in some it will hurt you.

I'm not surprised at your stance on it at all goblin, but i dislike how you come to threads and games to constantly trash people who dont play the way you prefer. You play 2 mins to deliberately minimise the time for walling, but you should not expect others to feel the same way you do.

I play 4 mins all the time in duels, worldgames and teamgames and encounter all sorts of walling, its no more fair or unfair than picking a better country/strat combo than your opponent. Theres not a single country in europe+ that im aware of that becomes distinctly advantaged over all other countries by double walling its' cap turn 1.

All i've learned from this thread is that we all seem to have our own opinions and expectations on whats acceptable or not. Since theres no official clarification outside of "no turn 1 wfs and enemy territory invasion", we simply have to carry on and accept, rewalling big circle walling, palace walling and everything else as part of the aw package.

When did I attack you man? Please for my sanity give me a screenshot in this thread where I attacked you.

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 22:25

作者： Acquiesce, 07.10.2014 at 22:08

作者： W4R_MaChINE, 07.10.2014 at 21:49

you do not have any concrete evidence of my units exact positioning

What in your mind would be "concrete" evidence? Is there anything Khal could realistically have that is more reliable than a screenshot? You're asking him to produce something that is unproducable and you are casting doubt on his integrity by suggesting he might have photoshopped the image. Let me just make this absolutely clear. Your unit was in France. I saw it turn 2 when I scrolled over and said in gamechat "yep that's in France". I see it now in the completely legit SS produced by the wonderful Khaleesi. Now do I think we should crucify you for that? No, it was probably accidental and not worth a big fuss.

As for the rest of this thread.

Photoshop? Its quite clear he is not using the nilla version of atwar. Unless there are settings you can change that im not aware of. You can tell by the unit/city sizes, and his chat box. That is my first point that makes this unreliable.
Point 2, referring to my first post. All I see is a unit directly on the border of belgium. A units exact position isnt defined by the actual circle, but rather the predetermined line to its destination. If that makes sense.
Neither of us have this screenshot of the actual path that unit followed, so no one has the right to say that the unit is in France.
But by using logic, you can guesstimate that line the unit followed. It would be directly in the center of that unit.

As I said, this is all conjecture.

Lolwut? Ofc he's using the vanilla version. It must be his monitor, res or screenshot tool. This is jumping into conclusions without talking about the most reasonable possibilities.
Also I see nothing wrong in the screenshot. This pic seems just fine.

作者： Permamuted, 07.10.2014 at 23:41

作者： Waffel, 07.10.2014 at 15:48

作者： clovis1122, 07.10.2014 at 12:46

Guys, Avoid insults. Why you can't discuss this on a civilizated way lol.

Mod qualifies are already over, lose the act.

--------------------------------
I actually feel sad for laochra.... everybody is attacking him D:
But its just the way how you braught it up

Lao is a cool guy when you get to know him!

w4r mou and yourself are the only people who directly attacked me, goblin is as agressive as ever in his opinions. Everyone else merely presented their opinion and why.

i really just dont get the issues some of you have with walls, its merely one strategic play within the arsenal a person possesses, to some countries it is beneficial, to others it makes no difference, and in some it will hurt you.

I'm not surprised at your stance on it at all goblin, but i dislike how you come to threads and games to constantly trash people who dont play the way you prefer. You play 2 mins to deliberately minimise the time for walling, but you should not expect others to feel the same way you do.

I play 4 mins all the time in duels, worldgames and teamgames and encounter all sorts of walling, its no more fair or unfair than picking a better country/strat combo than your opponent. Theres not a single country in europe+ that im aware of that becomes distinctly advantaged over all other countries by double walling its' cap turn 1.

All i've learned from this thread is that we all seem to have our own opinions and expectations on whats acceptable or not. Since theres no official clarification outside of "no turn 1 wfs and enemy territory invasion", we simply have to carry on and accept, rewalling big circle walling, palace walling and everything else as part of the aw package.

ehh is this meant for me? Or for goblin? Because it seems like it.

Seriously ...discussion about rewalling and he goes and mentions me playing 2 minute turns like its in any way relevant or same as rewalling ...and then downgrades it to simple "minimise walls" crap.

This is what im talking about ...shows no respect, constantly undermines my game like everyone else, but still demands respect from me. No can do buddy.

You are a smart player Laochra ...but that doesnt make you a wise one.

作者： Acquiesce, 07.10.2014 at 22:08

As for the rest of this thread.