Reality Check: Picks. [and strategies!]
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发表从 The Tactician, 28.06.2014 - 06:58
Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )
PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.
This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.
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Well clovis is right about one thing for sure.That Sm have a bad reputation.Sorry but thats true.Actually Sm reputation (in terms of cw-assholing) is as shitty as Crimson tide's You deserve eachother guys  <3
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Never call europe+ a competitive map. They start with turk ukraine and uk germany, Second they start with uk + east. What is next? If you want a true skillful and competitive map, then play King of the hills. All country are equal there 
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You're confusing yourself with competivity and fairness.
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Probably. But reputation has nothing to do with any of this. I dont come up with this shit based on my personal bias, and neither should any of you. I have nothing against CT or any of the other clans at all but the issue regarding this thread is completely retarded.
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Yes. But this brings us back to how EU+ is the most versatile map whilst being generally fair and small because of the different charasteristics each region provides that more or less counter each other out. Turkey/Ukraine, Balkans/Scandinavia etc. I'm not exactly sure as to how the competitive map contest failed to bring a change in the maps played in cws though. But I'm going to guess it was the player's reluctance and the fact that they were intimidated by a map that their usual country expansion memorisation failed to work. Goes far to explain exactly how skilled the majority of the high levels really are. But that is a little off-topic. I should probably remind all of you why simply preventing a combination of countries that may provide an advantage to one side by picking it yourself has nothing wrong with it. Firstly, it's easy as fuck to do. Secondly, if you do have a mutual agreement on neither teams obtaining an advantageous combination, it will not change a single thing. Why? Because either way, one team will have Turkey OR Ukraine and UK OR Germany. This is exactly what goes on now, unless you were retarded with your picks. That's your fault, not the game or anyone else's. Not only that, it actually and obviously limits the combinations of countries you can play with. We're already limited with choices because everyone wants to pick the countries that give the best chances (refer to Desu/Barrymore's picture) and I don't think anyone wants even more restrictions. TL;DR if your argument is that picking is unfair, then you're basically saying that the map is broken, or rather, unfit to be playing competitive matches on because of the restriction it provides. I wonder why EU+ 10k is the basis for competitiveness. Oh, I know. Because it isn't broken. By all means, feel free to actually play those competitive maps that were created, I doubt those are broken either.
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Nope. Not perfect, I never said that. But it is one of the most versatile.
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Lol at Terminals last comment. Anyway yea all the criticism except Terminal so far has been directed to SM personally and not to this actual thread. Please we are trying to debate a touchy topic that causes lots of drama in CW's. At least try to take this professionally. If you noticed all the people who actually get this and understand posted only once or a few times to clarify stuff. Then two or three people have been dragging this on for an exhausting time. :/ I think this thread has served its purpose for reminding and educating people of the consequences of the no UK Germ rule no Turk Ukr. If you read back to the 4 pages most people agreed, and 3-4 disagreed. Thats success to me. I thought id get more criticism from more experienced players because I might be missing something, but I didn't. Which probably means my idea for picks is mostly right. I request anybody who posts from now on to read my OP to remind them the purpose of this thread. Thank you.
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last season our clan cw'd on every map setting on the default world map bar south america, we even cw'd on ancient world. you dont cw on any map, you dont appear to cw at all, so i dont know why youd attempt to comment when you clearly know nothing.
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Hate For Haters.
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Nah, you said clan wars in general weren't versatile. I was talking about the map itself, not a generalisation on the clan war scene like you did. And my point in pointing out way the map is versatile was to explain why it's still the only/most played in clan wars. This second attempt of criticising was a bit of a failure compared to your first xa (I've pretty much stopped playing it also, at least for now)
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why dont you try respecting the purpose of the thread before you post nonsense. to further contradict you look at the ancient world tourney hosted by a clan of players who only play ancient world games, a bunch of 3v3 players joined it who had almost never played it before and in each group proceeded to beat the majority of the regulars who played that map. the default map and its cws are where the best players of this game compete, this cannot be denied. its where you will learn mastery of the strats and get to test yourself against other skilled players. you can look on from the backround and accuse us of not playing aw when any of us could go to any map of your choice and without ever playing it before have a high chance of crushing you even with your beloved NC.
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seriously? you sound like telling a 5 year old that you can break his nose while boxing without ever having been in the ring before. How low does someone have to go to brag about beating a bunch of ancient game players which is as obvious as the color of the sky. Ridiculous, but to be expected of you.
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judging by that analogy youve very low opinions of ancient world players. this is their map, the ranked up on it, they duel on it, they play it regularly. just because they play this map that you dislike it doesnt make them a lesser player in intelligence/skill potential. anyway arent you meant to be banned? the forums have been so peaceful of late, dont tell me this is ending.
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Don't worry, I won't stain your precious forum with mud too much anymore. You're doing a pretty good job at that yourself.
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This is one of the reasons I don't cw, too much whining and complaining.
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You guys are serious autists, SRB and kanker especially won games by innovating mid-CW, sometimes it wouldn't work out but we had fun. That fun is long gone in AW, no ability to be innovative as everyone knows the pinnacle of PD fagging, it is one of the oldest things too - bring back OP GW and the czech master shall punish the PD heathens for their sins, Vafika will not have died in vain; Never forget the denmark rush ;____; Consider the fact our height was stabilized by an Italian integrated strategy, something that inherently wouldn't work these days let alone any country without enough reinforcements for PD inf, and ask yourself why you still play.
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True, but the problem is. Not only the strategy has changed in this game, the type of players also changed. There are way and way more rushers lately. And strategies like GW which are easy to rush in 3v3 if you discovered your foe is playing GW. Some people dont like long battled games. And some people really enjoy them. Rushing is in my eyes already something weak, since you cant handle your enemy in a normal 1v1 so you just rush the crap out of him. Its kinda skillless. but you get my credits tho ^^
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You're partially right, Fruit. But as Waffel said, the community itself has changed in a way that mastering repetitive movements is considered the most important skill. Try to do something new with different picks/strategies and watch they complain.
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This is fake because: 1) We away ask for rematch when people disconect. ( If my mind dont fail me, I had accepted 4+ remakes against PL, so PL has accepted us 2 remakes or more). 2) YOU PERSONALLY TROLLED US A CW. When Bullet disconected for over 4 turns, Time accepted rematch. BUT you TROLLING ruined IT with BULLSHIT like " Is not our fault he have shitty connection". 3) Therefore, my clan got mad at PL. And so we didnt accepted Tie purposal of PL in the next cw when plato disconected. In chase you didnt remember, I was trying to convise them. Their respond was cleary: " Waffel fuking troll remember PL didnt tie us when bullet disconect for 4 turns". 4) If you want to blame someone, then blame youself because you trolled us first. We just trolled back. Time, eagles, they are nice enough, but your fuking trollings has forced us to act. Sorry babe but it is the true <3
Oh god another one sayding EU+ is competitive. Already explained in the other post King Of The Hill is the only competitive map, because even if is small, some country still have advantage agains others on eu+. Default map players are the best obvious, but not because the map itself, but because they have YEARS PLAYING ATWAR AND AFTERWIND. That experience gather up for adapt to any kind of situation. Other important fact is that a 3vs3 ONLY player would never beat someone on a brand new map he did never discovered.
Try to explain why default map is the most played on cw is like try to explain why we use a currenty for buy... one thing: CULTURE. You already know on afterwind we didnt had cool scenarios with awesome borders like now. If we had the same scenarios as now in the past, this would be totally different. Which make your argument invalid. ► We should return to 5k cw's and 5k 3vs3. There, offensive strat where usables and PD wasnt that OP as it is now with the 10k. ◄
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I'd be willing to bet this would change if everybody started playing differently in CWs. With the exception of Ukr/Turk combo and UK/Germ combo people have no beef with whatever picks the opposing team wants to make. You can go poland, volga, RNW, sweden, exc and nobody complains or demands different picks in CW. If these countries become the norm for CWs, not only do you inspire other players to practice and master these new country combos, you also inspire them to be innovative as well. If you want to change the way 3v3s are played, we have to change the way we CW.
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When GW was op it was probably better defensively than PD even and could beat rushes, irregardless, the fact people are rushing is actually a good thing - it shows a distinct difference from the defense minded AW I grew tired of. My real point though is just have variation in your play, I was never definitively known as "the imp player" even though I brought it to competitive play, I was also known as a MoS, NC, GW, IF, pretty much everything except PD(sry moral/ethical issues playing PD) player, it will give you a great benefit within the competitive field as well. I was never THAT great at any of the strats I played, if I had the autism to repeat it to its maximum potential I would have considered suicide on principle; but since I knew how to play pretty much everything even down to a GW hungary people thought I was great, and so, perhaps I was - but for a different reason all together.
Well I know that to be true, I think in a way the communities' role models have changed, I remember in the past when the noobs asked me questions regarding strategies I would tell them play whatever they want and have fun with it, and when they told me their favorite strat(usually blitz hilariously) I'd tell them the best applications, now they have detailed guides of how to win using PD in the most boring way possible. I'm no longer considered amongst the best, a forgotten relic of a history long since past, but whoever has replaced me could make this game much better by following in my foot-steps. To those who wish to carry the banner of hipster look into NC, It's seriously great. I tip my fedora to you Pinheiro, for all our faults the old guard of AW were truly something special.
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Do it my friend, be the man to change the wor-er, obscure online strategy game, whatever, just do it foggot.
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The annoying thing is that rushing actually works : (.
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Fock we just played a CW with RNW and Freely miraculously pulled 15 destroyers out of his arse to London. (enemy cap) Meaning to say with certain combo's countries like RNW/Poland/RV/Sweden/Austria work great. I agree about the whole PD thing and that its the only strat thats played to win n stuff. (even I play pd when i gotta) Although other strategies can replace it and perform if they are just played right. Thing is, PD is the easiest to play. Which is sad since lots of people are afraid to explore new territory (both strats and countries). Hell, I dueled Eagles with MoS Germany and lost by turn 3 but I don't care since I've experimented with it. I think people are just afraid to lose. Which brings us back to the point of our thread that its so engraved in their mind that they can't handle a UK/Germ combo or Turk/Ukr combo.
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disagree. youre confusing "competitive" with perfect balance. king of the hill and those other maps are truely balanced because theyre mirrored. theyre competitive maps sure, but gameplay on them would become boring quickly. due to the uniform layout. god i feel like a broken record, but i guess someone must attempt to get through clovis' thick skull. europe+ is map with perfect inbalance. all country/strat combos have a counter, this balances it for 1v1 in 5k and 10k. hence all the duels. i know youre now going to start raving about ukr/turk not having a counter in teamgames. we know. but thats why we have a picking order to prevent players uniting op country combos.
only if youre too noob to defend.
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True, i'd lately enjoy playing more variable strats instead of just boring defensive strats, its way and way more interesting. But if i try to play a country with a combo i want to train on, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to do. Since mostly they just rush the crap out of you, because you dont do the ordinairy boring PD expansions and stuf.. And yeah NC is awesome.
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You know the thing is. Most of you guys bail out if there is a turkey/ukr combo is picked. But in my experience its not that freaking hard as it sounds.. ofc if both are skilled propper players it sounds even harder.. but thats not the case. Mostly both of them have lack of money and just interrupt their expansions.. Alot of you speak like its that hard and blabla, But I bet none of you have even played against turk/ukr combo that often... And you aint a noob if you cant defend vs a rush. If you are playing ukraine, and you get rushed in moscow/belarus/finland/rs/poland, its pretty hard to deffend vs those. Especially when you r not PD..
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I dont think so...I done a lot of tests about how low ranks play with my alt..They had fun of going to lose(i was leaving before they lose) and they wanted to learn how to play like me.The fault is our..all clans must have a secondery clan and train more and more people in a way like they want etc. A rank 4 saied he bought biltz and he liked it but he was losing from pd rushes.The comunity will had saied:Stop playing biltz and learn pd. THAT IS WRONG.All starts have disavantages and advantages,espect one:none.So i think before using every start u have to learn how to play none.If u manage to win with none then u can win with every start and dont need to stuck to easy pd and when u got 15 more infs from enemy to rush.The fault is our,we have stuck with certain players and dont try to proove low ranks.So when u go to learn a low rank start with learning him with none and if he manage it then he can win and with easy and with hard ds.Enough saied...which bitch disagree with this go to stuck with ur pd.
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O wait, people only CW on EU+/10k/... huehuehue
